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you're in the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio and now

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here's gene Steinberg with gene and

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Chris on the power cast we're dissecting

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what happened on last week's episode

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with Geneva Hagen and with Richard

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Toronto who lives in California that's

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kind of interesting considering his name

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I always thought of him as being

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Canadian really I mean that's a stupid

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conclusion to reach but that was about

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it I've obviously known for a few years

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but it's interesting here about Ray

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Palmer and the fact that he is probably

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one of the unsung heroes not just in the

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UFO field because he kept the subject

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alive with faith magazine in his own

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publication but also in science fiction

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where we took amazing stories and

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totally changed the way they approach

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science fiction so instead of being just

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something that was the province of a

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small number of fans it became a

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mass-market product and you think the

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kind of science fiction that he promoted

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as I said last week came to be in movies

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such as Forbidden Planet in the 50s Star

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Trek in the 60s Star Wars in the 70s but

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in the science fiction field Ray Palmer

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is a pariah isn't that sad yeah it is

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sad I think you're right he is an unsung

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hero to some and he's also I think we

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can vilify him a little bit for for

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creating that downward momentum of the

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snowball going down the hill in terms of

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how people perceive what we're then

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called flying saucers and how that pop

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culture sort of veneer has slowly been

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building on the snowballs it goes down

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the hill so in one sense Ray Palmer

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would kind of set the whole

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misperceptions of the phenomenon in the

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public's eye I think he set that that

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momentum going and in one sense yeah he

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popularized the the whole connection

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between flying saucers and

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underground you know dwellers and that

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sort of thing but he propagated these

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memes that that were still fighting

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today well certainly he did however

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voice a lot of interesting things about

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the UFO field if you read what he said

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and one of which of course is the

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so-called fact this piece of information

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where he looks into certain things about

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a UFO case or any paranormal event and

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if that thing is verified the case must

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be true but I think a lot of what he

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said about the fact was nonsense I think

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he was playing games with people yeah

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and we see that today with the twins

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that shall not be mentioned and others

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who who mix fact with fiction and give

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equal weight to hoaxes and possibly to

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events and and true visual evidence

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alike so I think that this is really a

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major problem trying to scientifically

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study these phenomena and we're

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constantly battling this misperception

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in the public this pop culture sort of

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front-loading if you will that all

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started back with with Ray Palmer and

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you know you have to think about the

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people who follow Palmer like one of the

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columnists in his magazine had a column

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called chasing the flying saucers it was

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gray bark er sir Graham Parker got some

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of his start in Ray Palmer's flying

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saucers magazine Chris ray Barker had

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some great stuff that he reported on he

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did a really good account of the

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flatwoods monster for example but he and

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Jim Mosley made up more than their share

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of hoaxes also Tim Beckley took over

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that column when grey Parker gave it up

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so you have to think how many people got

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started in the UFO field good or bad

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because of Ray Palmer and his rest my

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case

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right and so a few of us had the fun of

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meeting him he was fun I wish we could

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have spent hours talking with him

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because he was an original he was a

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character so is Richard shaver and as I

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said Geneva and I figured out how to

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look at his rock books and see

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something there now maybe it was our

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state of mind you know a couple of young

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whippersnappers in our 20s maybe today

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if we separately looked at those

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pictures we wouldn't see anything

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something else mentioned on the show I

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thought that was worth attention and

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that is the way that the human mind

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picks up and stores symbols so if we

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don't have a frame of reference for

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something we see something out there

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that doesn't fit with our knowledge or

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experience there's no frame of reference

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we attempt to interpret that in

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accordance with what we understand you

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know and I wonder to what extent that

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influences the UFO mystery to what

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extent do we look at things so alien to

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us that we have no frame of reference we

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can't understand it so we make it into

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something that conforms to our culture

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like spaceships like gods from heaven

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that sort of thing it also brings to

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mind the book contact in the movie the

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sequence were Jodie Foster meets et n80

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says to her he's appearing in the form

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of her late father because she couldn't

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accept his true appearance she couldn't

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accept it well you know again that that

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illustrates my point I think the the

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human mind when when faced with the

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inexplicable as you said tends to revert

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back to familiar frames of reference a

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good example of that would be when the

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first conquistadores stood on the rim of

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Grand Canyon their brains were so unable

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to visually you know process the visual

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information that they thought the canyon

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was only a mile across and that the

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river was only 30 feet wide they

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literally could not grasp the vastness

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of what their eyes beheld and and I

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think the same holds true in the

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paranormal field I think people tend to

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revert to primal symbols they tend to

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revert to familiar frames of references

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and and that totally sloughs or slants

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their perceptions and you know when you

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talk about Ray Palmer and you talk about

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some of the early science fiction

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writers they really set in motion and

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set in place some very

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very strong symbols and images in our

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minds that still reverberate today and

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we keep repeating the same old mistakes

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I kind of rave about this in our weekly

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podcast newsletter and I never mentioned

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the newsletter it's free so I'll mention

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you'll see some past issues get an idea

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of what it's all about and basically

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what it is is nine hundred or a thousand

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words of editorial I write it Kris is

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we even had a Stanton Friedman

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contribution way back when and the rest

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much and I was pointing out here is that

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we continue to make the same mistake in

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the UFO field we continued to look at

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the subject and the way it was observed

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back in 1950 by major Donald Kehoe ok et

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is here the government knows the truth

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sure how's that gravia where that take

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us it took us nowhere

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we haven't picked up or learned much of

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anything and maybe one of the things we

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do here in the power cast is to change

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the discussion which is why we bring up

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stories about people like Ray Palmer and

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Richard shaver it's good to know where

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we came from to see how we can do better

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we've been mentioning a lot of the

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classic cases in the UFO field there's

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always something about Roswell another

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really unusual case is the cash Landrum

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incident which goes back to 1980 and

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maybe one or more of the witnesses

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suffered from radiation burns it's a

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really fascinating case there are

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possibilities there as to what the

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strange object or spaceship or whatever

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it was might have been but we have to

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guess this week who've done a lot of

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research into it one is Kurt Collins now

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forums because he's known as sentry and

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quite often sentry posts very intriguing

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questions that we ask on the show and

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the other is Chris Lambright who very

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recently had written a book with our

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friend ray Stanford and Chris and Ray

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were on the show a few months back if

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the power cast once again we are the

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power cast on Twitter so we have Chris

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Lambright Kurt Collins joining gene and

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Chris and once again you're in the para

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segment of the power cast we've covered

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a lot of the classic cases but sometimes

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you think maybe we're spending too much

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time on like Roswell for example well

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there's another case which is called by

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some a close encounter of the second

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kind because it caused physical effects

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it's the cash Landrum incident from

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nineteen eighty and the reason I thought

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about setting up this episode is because

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there has been a very active discussion

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area or thread on the power cast forums

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and formed out the para cast comm for

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people I've been talking about cash

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Landrum so now we talk about but old

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dear friend of mine who passed on last

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year Jim Mosley in the final years of

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his saucer smear publication he was busy

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reporting about cases that aren't

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getting a lot of attention like the cash

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Landrum case in nineteen eighty and one

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of the people that he dealt with in

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putting information together was one of

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our guests today

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Kurt Collins you know him on the forums

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eccentric our other guests of course is

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Chris Lambright who's also done

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extensive research in the cash Landrum

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Kurt

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welcome to the power cast so did you

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ever expect being a forum poster that

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we'd actually ask you to be on the lines

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and on the show know quite a surprise

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then it's an honor and I'll try not to

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trip over my phone too much well only

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Chris and I do that listen even the

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polish professionals make mistakes

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walter kronkite made mistakes and that's

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the way it was you know 400 years ago

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Kurt you helped Jim Mosely research

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information about

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kache Landrum how'd you get involved

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with that well it's stemmed out of a

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friendship I was uh I was a social smear

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reader and was pestering him all the

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time with questions writing letters and

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I offered knowing that he didn't have

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access to a computer to research some

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different things for him and and the

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first thing asked me about in depth was

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the cash Lanham case he was trying to

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get a hold of a lead Tom Adams was a

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researcher that had mentioned he had

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found an anonymous it was anonymous

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witness reporting testimony of anonymous

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witness so it was very tough to track

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down information on that but that's

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where it all started and after being

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exposed to the history of the case I

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just really became fascinated or fair to

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say obsessed with it and have been

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following it ever since and it's been

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two and a half years now

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obsessed in what way there are a lot of

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elements to this case it is the event

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itself is fascinating the investigation

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of the case is very interesting and this

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is one of the few cases ever to get a

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lot out of the story that has there's

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been a legal action there was a lawsuit

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brought against the government in this

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case so there's just this case really

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has everything you could want in UFOs

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with the exception of aliens at least

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the the witnesses that was there were

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know there was an abduction and they

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didn't see aliens but everything else is

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happening in this case government

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cover-up and you name it okay let's

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start from the beginning can you give us

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a brief summary of the actual sighting

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yes it the when we have to introduce the

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characters first we've got Betty cash

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who owned a restaurant she was the

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driver of the car her friend and

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employee Vickie Landrum and Vickie

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Landrum's grandson Colby who she had

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custody of and lived with with her they

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were on an outing we're going to play a

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bingo it was this is December 29 1980

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and it was this was during the Christmas

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holidays so they couldn't find a game

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decided to have dinner and then on their

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way home about nine o'clock

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started seeing a light moved through the

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trees so that caught their attention and

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as they they were driving from New Caney

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back home to date and they were

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approaching the Hofmann area and this

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was a relatively deserted area sparsely

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populated a few houses and trailers and

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things but you know basically just just

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a wooded area so they rounded this curb

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and it then entered this straight part

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of the highway and they described it as

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if the sky had split open there were

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there were there was this object which

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they actually couldn't see that clearly

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it was the flames coming down from the

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object and the brilliance of it they

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said it looked like the sky displayed

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open and that they it was such a

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impressive event visually that the

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ladies thought Vicki Lanham in

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particular thought this was a second

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coming it was the end of the world so

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isn't this made a huge impression so

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they were fine this car comes to a stop

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and eventually this is supposedly 130

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feet away from them they they get out of

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the car to take a look and it's this is

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blindingly brilliant the defines and

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it's so Betty cash is standing on the

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driver's side Vic

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Vicki Landrum's grandson is terrified

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he's he's cry and she steps out to look

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at it but he coaxes her back in and and

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he's he's pretty much terrified so her

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main interest at that point is

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protecting him consoling him and she

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even tells him that that this is that if

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a man comes out it'll be Jesus to take

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them you know this is just a saw so

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powerful to them so they're back inside

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calling from Betty to come back in and

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and we're not sure of exactly how long

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she's out but it's possibly five minutes

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somewhere in that range so she gets back

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in the car and when she

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to handle the car it's become hot from

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the presence of this object somehow and

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just take the bottom of our leather coat

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to open the handle of the door so that

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they're sitting in there and it's it

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it's incredibly hot the object has been

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spewing flames down it's been rising and

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falling as far if I hear the flames is

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this coming from the underside or just

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surrounding it it is it's coming from

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the underside and they described it as

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making sounds like a flamethrower

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somewhat it's it's unclear exactly what

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they heard but there's been a Waring

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side sound described and also the the

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craft made a beeping sound but but of

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those flames it's it was a cone of fire

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similar to the exhaust of the Space

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Shuttle however it did not seem to

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propel the object so that's um that

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that's mysterious it doesn't the other

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thing about it was as it at this point

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it moved off it lifted up and moved off

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but they described it as as drifting off

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and you know my descriptions linked in

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and we're only about a fourth of the way

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through the the encounter so I don't

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know if you want to stop here for some

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questions or yeah well I I have some

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this crystal Brian here will have to do

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a break in the moment Chris has just

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asked the question okay yes we do Kurt

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this crystal Brian here I was gonna have

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you when we come back from the break go

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ahead and give a description of size of

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the craft the shape any sort of

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discernible you know metal or any sort

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of details that they could see on it

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when we get back from the break we have

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Kurt Collins joining us we have Chris

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Lambright the topic of discussion is the

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cash Landrum case back in 1980 and as

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para cast we're talking about the

600
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nineteen eighty cash Landrum UFO

601
00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:20,080
sighting

602
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:22,570
Kirk Collins and Chris Lambright joining

603
00:27:30,990 --> 00:27:27,850
us so Chris is asking a question or two

604
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to flesh out the description Curt this

605
00:27:37,260 --> 00:27:33,760
is a rich topic in itself and we're

606
00:27:39,510 --> 00:27:37,270
going to talk with Tom with Chris lab

607
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:39,520
right at this a little bit more in a

608
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:42,010
moment Ward was initially reported in

609
00:27:51,510 --> 00:27:45,810
the newspapers it was a large object and

610
00:27:53,130 --> 00:27:51,520
in some instances the the women were had

611
00:27:54,420 --> 00:27:53,140
difficult to describe what they saw they

612
00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:54,430
weren't they didn't have a technical

613
00:27:58,590 --> 00:27:55,330
black background

614
00:28:01,140 --> 00:27:58,600
Vickie Landrum said that in the middle

615
00:28:03,930 --> 00:28:01,150
part of it was a half a mile across

616
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:03,940
which is obviously too large but I think

617
00:28:07,350 --> 00:28:05,410
she was trying to describe the

618
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:07,360
brightness of it and so there was some

619
00:28:13,620 --> 00:28:11,290
difficulty separating the illumination

620
00:28:17,670 --> 00:28:13,630
from the object but it said to have been

621
00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:17,680
about 80 feet tall and we're not sure

622
00:28:23,580 --> 00:28:21,610
you know 20 to 40 feet wide and about 80

623
00:28:26,340 --> 00:28:23,590
feet up in the air it was it was about

624
00:28:29,430 --> 00:28:26,350
treetop level and we'll come come down

625
00:28:32,580 --> 00:28:29,440
20 feet or so and and it was kind of

626
00:28:34,860 --> 00:28:32,590
bobbing up and down and it was so so

627
00:28:37,340 --> 00:28:34,870
boys Betty cash originally said she was

628
00:28:39,630 --> 00:28:37,350
unable to determine a shape to it and

629
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:39,640
only cold meal and room

630
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:42,130
the boy who stayed in the car for the

631
00:28:45,570 --> 00:28:44,290
majority in this sign he was looking

632
00:28:48,330 --> 00:28:45,580
through the the windshield of the car

633
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:48,340
and you know possibly the refraction

634
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:49,810
gave him a better view but he was the

635
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:51,490
one that said it was specifically

636
00:28:56,850 --> 00:28:55,210
diamond-shaped and well that that's the

637
00:28:59,070 --> 00:28:56,860
description and we'll come back to that

638
00:29:01,490 --> 00:28:59,080
later but you want me to continue with

639
00:29:05,550 --> 00:29:01,500
that with their journey sure go ahead

640
00:29:07,950 --> 00:29:05,560
okay from this point it leaves and they

641
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:07,960
Betty starts a car again they drive down

642
00:29:10,230 --> 00:29:09,850
the road and you know they're relieved

643
00:29:16,049 --> 00:29:10,240
it

644
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:16,059
/ and at this point there's this is

645
00:29:21,270 --> 00:29:18,850
another confusing element a cold me that

646
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:21,280
he was seven years old at the time said

647
00:29:28,350 --> 00:29:24,250
that he saw helicopters at this time and

648
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:28,360
at the next stop that they they saw the

649
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:30,730
object again and they saw some some

650
00:29:34,950 --> 00:29:32,770
lights in the sky and initially they

651
00:29:37,290 --> 00:29:34,960
couldn't tell this they were still so

652
00:29:40,049 --> 00:29:37,300
far off whether these were planes or

653
00:29:41,669 --> 00:29:40,059
helicopters they stopped and things

654
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:41,679
moved closer to him predicting one of

655
00:29:45,390 --> 00:29:43,570
the helicopters they were able to see

656
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:45,400
and they had two rotors on top which

657
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:49,210
were later identified as a shinobi age

658
00:29:56,820 --> 00:29:53,530
47 all copper came so close that the

659
00:29:58,560 --> 00:29:56,830
roar of it terrified them and apparently

660
00:30:01,410 --> 00:29:58,570
they could they could see some details

661
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:01,420
but they were able to sketch that later

662
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:05,410
and when that moved off they they've

663
00:30:11,850 --> 00:30:09,130
stopped I think total three times and at

664
00:30:14,910 --> 00:30:11,860
the the place they initially reported

665
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:14,920
was on the stop sign outside of Huffman

666
00:30:19,470 --> 00:30:17,050
on that close to the highway back to

667
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:19,480
Dayton at that point they counted twenty

668
00:30:26,669 --> 00:30:22,650
three helicopters and as they left

669
00:30:28,740 --> 00:30:26,679
headed east to Dayton they were able to

670
00:30:30,930 --> 00:30:28,750
see behind him the object in the

671
00:30:33,030 --> 00:30:30,940
helicopters for some time and said to

672
00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:33,040
there were additional helicopters coming

673
00:30:41,090 --> 00:30:38,170
so the then on on the drive home to

674
00:30:43,350 --> 00:30:41,100
begin this have symptoms headaches and

675
00:30:46,110 --> 00:30:43,360
well we better stop there because that

676
00:30:48,210 --> 00:30:46,120
they gets into another category of the

677
00:30:51,510 --> 00:30:48,220
the medical injuries this is the

678
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:51,520
aftermath right okay so let's wrap up

679
00:30:56,580 --> 00:30:53,650
the description of the case the sighting

680
00:30:59,430 --> 00:30:56,590
and then we'll go there after that it

681
00:31:01,350 --> 00:30:59,440
was pretty much just a drive home and

682
00:31:05,690 --> 00:31:01,360
they said they could see it for some

683
00:31:07,950 --> 00:31:05,700
portion of the drive home so and the

684
00:31:10,770 --> 00:31:07,960
colonists something about the flight

685
00:31:12,750 --> 00:31:10,780
characteristic when the this addition is

686
00:31:15,180 --> 00:31:12,760
when they saw the white initially this

687
00:31:16,799 --> 00:31:15,190
object was flying parallel to the ground

688
00:31:20,730 --> 00:31:16,809
and it was only when it came down over

689
00:31:23,430 --> 00:31:20,740
the road that was a prize like a a

690
00:31:23,700 --> 00:31:23,440
spindle and and when it's been described

691
00:31:25,889 --> 00:31:23,710
as the

692
00:31:28,430 --> 00:31:25,899
diamond-shape this is like a diamond on

693
00:31:34,110 --> 00:31:28,440
a playing card not like a diamond ring

694
00:31:36,419 --> 00:31:34,120
so it was supposedly rounded around a

695
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:36,429
diamond and then when it resumed flight

696
00:31:42,389 --> 00:31:39,610
it seemed to from the distance it looked

697
00:31:45,090 --> 00:31:42,399
like a ball of light and it had pitched

698
00:31:48,019 --> 00:31:45,100
over and probably beginning that

699
00:31:49,889 --> 00:31:48,029
horizontal flight first Lambright

700
00:31:51,570 --> 00:31:49,899
anything you want to add to the

701
00:31:55,350 --> 00:31:51,580
description of the basic site before we

702
00:31:57,029 --> 00:31:55,360
go on I think Kurtz got it right the

703
00:31:59,490 --> 00:31:57,039
only thing that I would agree with

704
00:32:03,029 --> 00:31:59,500
that's confused a little bit or that's

705
00:32:05,519 --> 00:32:03,039
confusing is the exact dimensions

706
00:32:08,700 --> 00:32:05,529
she described at one point as about the

707
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:08,710
size of the Dayton water tower nobody

708
00:32:11,850 --> 00:32:09,850
ever took a picture of the date and

709
00:32:13,980 --> 00:32:11,860
water tower that I know of she did

710
00:32:16,860 --> 00:32:13,990
mention that I think in her interview at

711
00:32:18,029 --> 00:32:16,870
Bergstrom Air Force Base but later on

712
00:32:21,090 --> 00:32:18,039
there was some indication that they're

713
00:32:23,279 --> 00:32:21,100
talking about the top of the tower using

714
00:32:24,990 --> 00:32:23,289
a little bit of deductive reasoning when

715
00:32:27,180 --> 00:32:25,000
I drove down there and after speaking

716
00:32:30,570 --> 00:32:27,190
with especially with Vickie Landrum at

717
00:32:33,419 --> 00:32:30,580
good length the object came in over the

718
00:32:36,090 --> 00:32:33,429
treetops but somehow was able to at

719
00:32:38,310 --> 00:32:36,100
least lower itself enough between the

720
00:32:40,500 --> 00:32:38,320
trees to avoid burning the trees up and

721
00:32:43,110 --> 00:32:40,510
kind of stay over the the roadway so to

722
00:32:46,110 --> 00:32:43,120
speak so that was basically purpose in

723
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:46,120
the way it was flying if you get my

724
00:32:53,310 --> 00:32:49,090
connection here it was showing a purpose

725
00:32:56,100 --> 00:32:53,320
and a caution in flying that way this

726
00:32:58,620 --> 00:32:56,110
skirt I'm I'm not prepared to go that

727
00:33:02,460 --> 00:32:58,630
far I don't want to say at this point

728
00:33:04,830 --> 00:33:02,470
that the witnesses never wanted to call

729
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:04,840
this a UFO and when they saw that the

730
00:33:10,980 --> 00:33:06,850
helicopters that made them think that

731
00:33:13,350 --> 00:33:10,990
this was a military project and I'm

732
00:33:16,830 --> 00:33:13,360
wondering thing about so many UFO

733
00:33:19,669 --> 00:33:16,840
witnesses even if the turns out later

734
00:33:22,169 --> 00:33:19,679
they seem to lie to the plane so often

735
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:22,179
attribute characteristics and behaviors

736
00:33:27,210 --> 00:33:24,370
to the UFO as if it's interacting with

737
00:33:31,169 --> 00:33:27,220
and these witnesses never seem to do

738
00:33:33,389 --> 00:33:31,179
that and if anything they put that kind

739
00:33:36,390 --> 00:33:33,399
of behavior in connection on the on the

740
00:33:40,710 --> 00:33:36,400
flight of the helicopters so that's

741
00:33:43,620 --> 00:33:40,720
to me it somehow is the detail to make

742
00:33:45,060 --> 00:33:43,630
seem all the more genuine that they

743
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:45,070
didn't they didn't want to say with this

744
00:33:50,130 --> 00:33:48,130
was they didn't know it was just an

745
00:33:53,610 --> 00:33:50,140
unknown they reached no conclusions as

746
00:33:56,340 --> 00:33:53,620
to intent motive or even the origin and

747
00:33:57,960 --> 00:33:56,350
it could have been as you say a test

748
00:34:01,130 --> 00:33:57,970
aircraft and maybe that's something we

749
00:34:03,450 --> 00:34:01,140
should deal with as we progress oh

750
00:34:10,639 --> 00:34:03,460
that's a very important element of the

751
00:34:13,740 --> 00:34:10,649
case and I'm gonna I let's get back to

752
00:34:16,350 --> 00:34:13,750
what Chris was describing in his in his

753
00:34:22,860 --> 00:34:16,360
visit because I think this is this is

754
00:34:24,330 --> 00:34:22,870
very important um as the case let me

755
00:34:26,060 --> 00:34:24,340
tell you a little bit about the way the

756
00:34:29,159 --> 00:34:26,070
case develops I guess we need to

757
00:34:30,450 --> 00:34:29,169
continue chronologically with with the

758
00:34:32,940 --> 00:34:30,460
injuries and we're gonna have to read

759
00:34:35,159 --> 00:34:32,950
that missus revisited elements for this

760
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:35,169
because there's several important and

761
00:34:45,510 --> 00:34:42,850
controversial parts of this story so the

762
00:34:47,850 --> 00:34:45,520
ladies go home Betty cash drop smock

763
00:34:50,010 --> 00:34:47,860
usually she would have visited and they

764
00:34:52,230 --> 00:34:50,020
said that they're feeling sick so they

765
00:34:53,490 --> 00:34:52,240
can coldly go in and and as night

766
00:34:55,950 --> 00:34:53,500
progresses

767
00:34:59,100 --> 00:34:55,960
Colby throws up and has about a diarrhea

768
00:35:00,780 --> 00:34:59,110
and and it's reported that their skin

769
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:00,790
was rented as if they've been out on the

770
00:35:06,300 --> 00:35:03,850
beach you know brighter and sunburned so

771
00:35:09,660 --> 00:35:06,310
they're not feeling well and then when

772
00:35:14,820 --> 00:35:09,670
Betty returns home she had a friend and

773
00:35:16,710 --> 00:35:14,830
her kids it's stayed over she meets them

774
00:35:23,010 --> 00:35:16,720
and talks about how bad she's feeling

775
00:35:26,130 --> 00:35:23,020
and it goes to bed and and she has he's

776
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:26,140
not like balls appear on her on her skin

777
00:35:31,710 --> 00:35:28,690
and she has this horrible headache and

778
00:35:34,980 --> 00:35:31,720
and in these other flu-like symptoms and

779
00:35:38,250 --> 00:35:34,990
this becomes so bad over the next few

780
00:35:39,780 --> 00:35:38,260
days she has to be hospitalized and she

781
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:39,790
said that when she was and then at the

782
00:35:45,780 --> 00:35:42,610
hospital they asked her if she was a

783
00:35:49,110 --> 00:35:45,790
barn patient and and she had no idea

784
00:35:50,170 --> 00:35:49,120
that radiation could cause barns and so

785
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:50,180
she told them no

786
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:53,210
the other part at this stage on the

787
00:35:56,049 --> 00:35:53,930
drive home

788
00:35:57,910 --> 00:35:56,059
the thing was so strange for whatever

789
00:35:59,740 --> 00:35:57,920
reason they thought people wouldn't

790
00:36:03,940 --> 00:35:59,750
believe him so they agreed not to tell

791
00:36:05,710 --> 00:36:03,950
anyone so the cause was a mystery she

792
00:36:08,140 --> 00:36:05,720
didn't tell her doctor for some time and

793
00:36:11,130 --> 00:36:08,150
it was she improved somewhat over the

794
00:36:13,930 --> 00:36:11,140
next couple weeks they did tests on her

795
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:13,940
she goes home for a few days and has to

796
00:36:20,460 --> 00:36:15,890
come back and at this point the doctors

797
00:36:23,559 --> 00:36:20,470
are perplexed the Kolbe lanham is there

798
00:36:25,630 --> 00:36:23,569
when Vickie Lanham is visiting and and

799
00:36:28,089 --> 00:36:25,640
the doctor is you know expressing his

800
00:36:31,230 --> 00:36:28,099
frustration and he says well I know what

801
00:36:34,390 --> 00:36:31,240
I know what caused it it was the UFO and

802
00:36:36,430 --> 00:36:34,400
so that opens up a whole new discussion

803
00:36:38,109 --> 00:36:36,440
and we'll have another new discussion

804
00:36:40,809 --> 00:36:38,119
coming right up because we got to take

805
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:40,819
this brick we have Chris Lambright and

806
00:36:50,890 --> 00:36:42,770
Curt Collins with gene and Christian in

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hi this is Don Ecker and you are tuned

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in to the para cast let me tell you what

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you're gonna hear stuff here that you

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probably won't hear anywhere else hear

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that George Noory so with Kurt Collins

920
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and Chris Lambright were fleshing out

921
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the details of the 1980 cash Landrum UFO

922
00:41:27,420 --> 00:41:24,640
encounter where we have a witness who

923
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:27,430
may have received radiation burns was it

924
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Kirk the the symptoms when Benny

925
00:41:34,820 --> 00:41:32,440
casually entered the hospital she had

926
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hair loss so she had what appeared to be

927
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Barnes loss of hair vomiting diarrhea

928
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:41,820
these closely resembled radiation

929
00:41:49,190 --> 00:41:45,850
exposure symptoms they were at a loss

930
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there were some tests some of which or

931
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the blood test was normal and we this is

932
00:41:58,320 --> 00:41:55,630
it this is an extremely controversial

933
00:42:02,070 --> 00:41:58,330
area in the case because the medical

934
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:02,080
records have not been released because

935
00:42:07,620 --> 00:42:05,050
oh there's several reasons one of one

936
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reason sided was when they did make a

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legal case they wanted to protect this

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as evidence in the legal trial the other

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was decided was the privacy of the the

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way

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and well I'm I'm trying to run it too

942
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far head here but so so she's treated

943
00:42:28,380 --> 00:42:26,320
she eventually gets out and there is a

944
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:28,390
loss up to what what to do she's mounted

945
00:42:34,950 --> 00:42:32,770
these enormous medical bills and they're

946
00:42:37,170 --> 00:42:34,960
trying to get help and get answers as to

947
00:42:40,370 --> 00:42:37,180
as to what they've seen what caused it

948
00:42:43,980 --> 00:42:40,380
and you know if who might be responsible

949
00:42:47,610 --> 00:42:43,990
the the several calls made a Vickie

950
00:42:50,550 --> 00:42:47,620
Landrum calls Robert Gribble of the

951
00:42:54,330 --> 00:42:50,560
national UFO Reporting Center she had

952
00:42:57,800 --> 00:42:54,340
talked to her the sheriff of Dayton and

953
00:43:00,030 --> 00:42:57,810
he he found down the number and I

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00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:00,040
probably out desperation more than

955
00:43:06,780 --> 00:43:01,690
anything else she calls a number of

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00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:06,790
reports in and he in turn turns it into

957
00:43:11,580 --> 00:43:09,010
a pro and that's the first contact with

958
00:43:13,740 --> 00:43:11,590
the UFO community now anthro is the

959
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:13,750
aerial phenomena research organization

960
00:43:20,790 --> 00:43:18,370
it was an arizona-based UFO group headed

961
00:43:23,490 --> 00:43:20,800
by Jim and Lorenzen I just want to give

962
00:43:26,250 --> 00:43:23,500
that background as we continue Kirk from

963
00:43:29,130 --> 00:43:26,260
there the case takes one of its many

964
00:43:33,590 --> 00:43:29,140
strange turns the information is

965
00:43:36,510 --> 00:43:33,600
intercepted by Bill English who is a UFO

966
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:36,520
investigator of some controversy himself

967
00:43:43,020 --> 00:43:40,690
in those days the UFO organizations had

968
00:43:44,910 --> 00:43:43,030
a relationship with tabloid press there

969
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:44,920
was a panel of experts on the National

970
00:43:48,630 --> 00:43:46,810
Enquirer they reviewed cases there was a

971
00:43:54,630 --> 00:43:48,640
bonus for best case in the year and this

972
00:43:58,080 --> 00:43:54,640
sort thing and also the then quarreled

973
00:44:01,590 --> 00:43:58,090
with paid tabloid papers would pay tips

974
00:44:03,870 --> 00:44:01,600
for UFO cases well he for whatever

975
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:03,880
reason saw this is an opportunity and

976
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:05,410
turned this into the Weekly World News

977
00:44:10,020 --> 00:44:07,090
and they were the first ones to get a

978
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:10,030
hold of the story and and it's unclear

979
00:44:15,090 --> 00:44:11,290
as to whether or not they sent a

980
00:44:16,890 --> 00:44:15,100
reporter or if this was our secondhand

981
00:44:19,830 --> 00:44:16,900
but there were photographs taken other

982
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:19,840
witnesses and in the hair loss and Betty

983
00:44:24,630 --> 00:44:22,570
cash is clearly clearly visible and the

984
00:44:26,910 --> 00:44:24,640
photos you know I can just think as you

985
00:44:29,580 --> 00:44:26,920
talk her that a publication like that

986
00:44:31,860 --> 00:44:29,590
was a burn by a hostile UFO

987
00:44:35,220 --> 00:44:31,870
or something almost exactly what they

988
00:44:37,380 --> 00:44:35,230
said three three burned by UFO although

989
00:44:39,930 --> 00:44:37,390
the cover photo showed three celebrities

990
00:44:42,140 --> 00:44:39,940
from WKRP in Cincinnati so you might

991
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:42,150
think that they were the ones injured so

992
00:44:46,830 --> 00:44:44,170
strangely enough although there were

993
00:44:50,130 --> 00:44:46,840
some sensational language it seems that

994
00:44:53,610 --> 00:44:50,140
have been a fairly accurate cover during

995
00:44:56,420 --> 00:44:53,620
the events that the story is is still

996
00:44:58,980 --> 00:44:56,430
online if you look in Google Books all

997
00:45:01,020 --> 00:44:58,990
the major elements are there you know

998
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:01,030
further details were revealed later but

999
00:45:06,540 --> 00:45:03,970
the basics are all there so you know for

1000
00:45:09,630 --> 00:45:06,550
pro tabloid you know really good

1001
00:45:11,340 --> 00:45:09,640
coverage on the stoy um probably being

1002
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:11,350
at Senate's haploid nobody takes it

1003
00:45:17,730 --> 00:45:15,010
seriously exactly and and that's one of

1004
00:45:19,590 --> 00:45:17,740
the puzzling things too is that since

1005
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:19,600
since there was a relationship between

1006
00:45:25,350 --> 00:45:23,410
the UFO groups and the tabloids you know

1007
00:45:28,350 --> 00:45:25,360
were they compromising their credibility

1008
00:45:30,870 --> 00:45:28,360
but that's I guess that's an aside

1009
00:45:34,530 --> 00:45:30,880
that's not our issue here we could do a

1010
00:45:38,940 --> 00:45:34,540
whole show on that one don't forget at

1011
00:45:40,170 --> 00:45:38,950
the time bob pratt was I think kind of

1012
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:40,180
leading the choirs

1013
00:45:45,570 --> 00:45:42,490
field investigations of the paranormal

1014
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:45,580
and UFO events and up to that point he

1015
00:45:49,770 --> 00:45:47,290
had done some very very good work around

1016
00:45:52,830 --> 00:45:49,780
Dulce with the Gomez cattle mutilation

1017
00:45:56,190 --> 00:45:52,840
cases and others so even though the

1018
00:45:58,530 --> 00:45:56,200
tabloids aren't well considered at at

1019
00:46:00,210 --> 00:45:58,540
that time in the 70s into the early

1020
00:46:03,020 --> 00:46:00,220
eighties they actually did do some very

1021
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:03,030
serious reporting on these subjects

1022
00:46:08,190 --> 00:46:05,650
Chris while you're talking I want you to

1023
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:08,200
step in here because pardon and they

1024
00:46:12,060 --> 00:46:10,210
appeal on the mystery of this is the

1025
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:12,070
presence too hot but the helicopters and

1026
00:46:17,370 --> 00:46:14,650
I know in your book series of mysterious

1027
00:46:19,650 --> 00:46:17,380
valley you you discuss it at some length

1028
00:46:21,870 --> 00:46:19,660
so can you give us some some background

1029
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:21,880
in the 70s about the helicopters that

1030
00:46:25,830 --> 00:46:22,810
were appearance

1031
00:46:28,710 --> 00:46:25,840
well yeah you mentioned Tom Adams Tom

1032
00:46:32,790 --> 00:46:28,720
was one of my early sort of mentors when

1033
00:46:36,140 --> 00:46:32,800
I got involved in investigating cases in

1034
00:46:41,420 --> 00:46:36,150
the San Luis Valley and Tom had compiled

1035
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:41,430
by 1993 he had put together over 200

1036
00:46:46,230 --> 00:46:43,810
really well doc

1037
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:46,240
case reports of helicopters seen in and

1038
00:46:52,010 --> 00:46:49,570
around cattle mutilation sites so it was

1039
00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:52,020
titled the choppers and the choppers

1040
00:46:59,910 --> 00:46:55,090
like ray Stanford he had a strange sense

1041
00:47:02,640 --> 00:46:59,920
when it came to book titles but leaving

1042
00:47:04,890 --> 00:47:02,650
that aside I think what really has

1043
00:47:09,030 --> 00:47:04,900
always puzzled me about this particular

1044
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:09,040
case is the claim of over two squadrons

1045
00:47:15,270 --> 00:47:13,090
worth or 23 Chinook helicopters now I I

1046
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:15,280
think I'm not sure who it was it may

1047
00:47:20,990 --> 00:47:16,810
have been Tom Adams did some research

1048
00:47:24,450 --> 00:47:21,000
into that and he could find no evidence

1049
00:47:26,940 --> 00:47:24,460
that indicated that any squadrons of

1050
00:47:28,710 --> 00:47:26,950
Chinooks had joined together at that

1051
00:47:30,780 --> 00:47:28,720
particular on that night for any sort of

1052
00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:30,790
maneuvers and there's been quite a bit

1053
00:47:35,430 --> 00:47:33,130
of controversy over the years of a

1054
00:47:38,390 --> 00:47:35,440
whether the number that the cited by the

1055
00:47:41,670 --> 00:47:38,400
witnesses was accurate and be whether

1056
00:47:44,310 --> 00:47:41,680
there was some sort of secret maneuvers

1057
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:44,320
going on that the military did not fess

1058
00:47:48,900 --> 00:47:46,450
up on either of you guys have any

1059
00:47:49,380 --> 00:47:48,910
comments about that particular aspect of

1060
00:47:51,720 --> 00:47:49,390
the case

1061
00:47:54,210 --> 00:47:51,730
I can I can tell you one thing that I

1062
00:47:56,280 --> 00:47:54,220
has puzzled me for years and actually

1063
00:47:58,050 --> 00:47:56,290
when I was reviewing the information for

1064
00:48:01,140 --> 00:47:58,060
this case I found a reply that I got

1065
00:48:04,110 --> 00:48:01,150
from the Army I looked into because the

1066
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:04,120
only place anywhere nearby that it close

1067
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:05,770
enough to get there in time was Fort

1068
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:08,170
Hood Fort Hood apparently the army was

1069
00:48:12,420 --> 00:48:09,970
the only one that was known to have to

1070
00:48:14,430 --> 00:48:12,430
use the double rotor Chinooks but of

1071
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:14,440
course there seem to be a lack of any

1072
00:48:17,700 --> 00:48:16,330
information about flights that yeah the

1073
00:48:19,050 --> 00:48:17,710
time of year Philip Glass made the big

1074
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:19,060
argument that you couldn't get them out

1075
00:48:24,750 --> 00:48:21,970
but I wrote to Fort Hood and in the

1076
00:48:27,720 --> 00:48:24,760
reply that I got was the statement that

1077
00:48:30,180 --> 00:48:27,730
they had a flight of helicopters that

1078
00:48:33,660 --> 00:48:30,190
evening that came in and this was in

1079
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:33,670
quote for effect no explanation what

1080
00:48:38,550 --> 00:48:36,490
that means although to me that means

1081
00:48:40,500 --> 00:48:38,560
there were some helicopters flying that

1082
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:40,510
night that came in for whatever this

1083
00:48:45,060 --> 00:48:42,850
term for effect was the reply that I

1084
00:48:47,130 --> 00:48:45,070
found after I wrote them again and I had

1085
00:48:50,190 --> 00:48:47,140
asked you know the next person on the

1086
00:48:52,710 --> 00:48:50,200
FYE receiving end what exactly for

1087
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:52,720
effect means and she simply wrote back

1088
00:48:56,760 --> 00:48:54,490
and said we don't have any explanation

1089
00:48:58,590 --> 00:48:56,770
or what the term for effect means

1090
00:49:00,990 --> 00:48:58,600
and I could never get any more out of it

1091
00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:01,000
so basically Chris they use words that

1092
00:49:05,910 --> 00:49:04,090
they don't understand in terms of me

1093
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:05,920
know this pair invent the words just

1094
00:49:09,780 --> 00:49:08,050
pull them out of whole cloth yeah but

1095
00:49:11,310 --> 00:49:09,790
what I really what I got out of it was

1096
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:11,320
wait a minute they just acknowledged

1097
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:12,850
that they had helicopters that were

1098
00:49:17,100 --> 00:49:15,130
flying around that night and they

1099
00:49:18,540 --> 00:49:17,110
acknowledged that the helicopters that

1100
00:49:20,190 --> 00:49:18,550
were flying her because when I wrote I

1101
00:49:22,950 --> 00:49:20,200
specifically would have written about

1102
00:49:24,359 --> 00:49:22,960
Chinooks flying around that evening and

1103
00:49:26,850 --> 00:49:24,369
Fort Hood being the only place that had

1104
00:49:28,260 --> 00:49:26,860
I think there were 24 in their flight or

1105
00:49:30,210 --> 00:49:28,270
squadron or whatever they called it and

1106
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:30,220
for them to write me back and say they

1107
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:31,810
had a flight that came in that evening

1108
00:49:37,950 --> 00:49:35,770
for effect a very obscure an oculist

1109
00:49:40,020 --> 00:49:37,960
term and I could never go my ways for

1110
00:49:42,780 --> 00:49:40,030
good from from the land cache landing

1111
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:42,790
site as the crow flies I think we

1112
00:49:47,490 --> 00:49:44,490
estimated you might be able to get there

1113
00:49:49,109 --> 00:49:47,500
45 minutes to an hour my belief has

1114
00:49:50,340 --> 00:49:49,119
always that for it to arrive at the time

1115
00:49:52,410 --> 00:49:50,350
the ladies were there they had to be

1116
00:49:54,510 --> 00:49:52,420
flying already they had to be somewhere

1117
00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:54,520
in transit or something else somewhere

1118
00:49:58,190 --> 00:49:55,810
else to have arrived right at the moment

1119
00:49:59,760 --> 00:49:58,200
when this thing came down or it did and

1120
00:50:02,040 --> 00:49:59,770
apparently those weren't the only

1121
00:50:03,570 --> 00:50:02,050
helicopters because even I was watching

1122
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:03,580
a little bit of a videotape interview I

1123
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:05,890
did with Miki and she mentions as well

1124
00:50:09,150 --> 00:50:07,450
that there were other single rotor

1125
00:50:12,300 --> 00:50:09,160
helicopters they weren't small ones

1126
00:50:14,550 --> 00:50:12,310
whether they were the Huey variety or

1127
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:14,560
something larger like the Navy might fly

1128
00:50:18,870 --> 00:50:17,170
but at one point when they were closer

1129
00:50:20,550 --> 00:50:18,880
to home apparently there were still some

1130
00:50:23,460 --> 00:50:20,560
other helicopters coming in from the

1131
00:50:25,950 --> 00:50:23,470
east and in the video she she was a

1132
00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:25,960
little reluctant to make mention some of

1133
00:50:30,660 --> 00:50:28,330
the information that that they were on

1134
00:50:33,210 --> 00:50:30,670
to but she kept making this comment

1135
00:50:35,550 --> 00:50:33,220
about a place called Morgan City which i

1136
00:50:37,290 --> 00:50:35,560
think is Morgan City Louisiana I've

1137
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:37,300
never been able to know what it was and

1138
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:38,410
you can see on the tape she kind of

1139
00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:40,930
smiles and mentions Morgan City and

1140
00:50:44,310 --> 00:50:43,090
won't say anymore so they apparently had

1141
00:50:46,050 --> 00:50:44,320
some suspicions that there were other

1142
00:50:46,530 --> 00:50:46,060
places that there may have been hella

1143
00:50:48,870 --> 00:50:46,540
cop

1144
00:50:50,670 --> 00:50:48,880
but she was adamant that the sides of

1145
00:50:52,470 --> 00:50:50,680
the Chinooks that were already around

1146
00:50:54,750 --> 00:50:52,480
the object right after they had kind of

1147
00:50:56,580 --> 00:50:54,760
moved on down the road there were still

1148
00:50:59,580 --> 00:50:56,590
some others that had been coming in from

1149
00:51:01,470 --> 00:50:59,590
the Dayton side more to each side well

1150
00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:01,480
Kurt mentioned something that the doctor

1151
00:51:06,900 --> 00:51:04,690
asked when they wouldn't fess up of how

1152
00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:06,910
they got the the burns and and what

1153
00:51:09,210 --> 00:51:08,650
appeared to be radiation poisoning type

1154
00:51:10,950 --> 00:51:09,220
symptoms

1155
00:51:14,100 --> 00:51:10,960
he mentioned oh this must have been

1156
00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:14,110
you fo now you never really went in into

1157
00:51:18,750 --> 00:51:16,210
more detail about how why he said that

1158
00:51:21,030 --> 00:51:18,760
as its kind of a second question here

1159
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:21,040
I'm wondering how many additional

1160
00:51:25,500 --> 00:51:23,050
witnesses do we have that we're not

1161
00:51:27,570 --> 00:51:25,510
involved in with the three primary

1162
00:51:30,390 --> 00:51:27,580
witnesses and we'll have that answer our

1163
00:51:32,850 --> 00:51:30,400
next segment we have Chris Lambright and

1164
00:51:40,740 --> 00:51:32,860
Kurt Collins Jean and Chris you're in

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1211
00:54:14,770 --> 00:54:13,040
here's Jane Steinberg the subject of

1212
00:54:17,830 --> 00:54:14,780
discussion the cash

1213
00:54:20,440 --> 00:54:17,840
Landrum case in Texas in December of

1214
00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:20,450
1980 and two questions on the table from

1215
00:54:25,300 --> 00:54:22,130
Chris O'Brien of our guest Chris

1216
00:54:27,730 --> 00:54:25,310
Lambright and Curt Collins number one of

1217
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:27,740
course other witnesses other than the

1218
00:54:35,260 --> 00:54:30,970
basic three and two a strange comment

1219
00:54:37,540 --> 00:54:35,270
from the examining doctor well first of

1220
00:54:39,580 --> 00:54:37,550
all I want to say that bone two telling

1221
00:54:41,860 --> 00:54:39,590
the stork run the story chronologically

1222
00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:41,870
so bad and I hope anyone that has any

1223
00:54:46,270 --> 00:54:44,090
interest in UFOs at all will do some

1224
00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:46,280
reading on this case because it's a you

1225
00:54:50,710 --> 00:54:47,810
know there there's so many things that

1226
00:54:52,990 --> 00:54:50,720
we we're going to skip over and and just

1227
00:54:54,490 --> 00:54:53,000
can't cover in detail but but as far as

1228
00:54:56,470 --> 00:54:54,500
the doctor that's that's very

1229
00:55:00,190 --> 00:54:56,480
interesting part because if that was a

1230
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:00,200
cardiologist doctor VB Shenoy when he

1231
00:55:05,350 --> 00:55:02,930
hears about the UFO he discusses with

1232
00:55:08,610 --> 00:55:05,360
his other colleagues and there's a dr.

1233
00:55:10,870 --> 00:55:08,620
Howard Sussman he happens to be a UFO

1234
00:55:13,620 --> 00:55:10,880
researcher himself he's a member of

1235
00:55:16,660 --> 00:55:13,630
appra and probably some other us for

1236
00:55:18,040 --> 00:55:16,670
organizations he's familiar with the

1237
00:55:19,740 --> 00:55:18,050
lore he knows that there have been

1238
00:55:22,210 --> 00:55:19,750
stories of UFO burns

1239
00:55:24,060 --> 00:55:22,220
apparently producing radiation and

1240
00:55:27,340 --> 00:55:24,070
caused and causing some more problems so

1241
00:55:29,230 --> 00:55:27,350
he gives the doctors some ideas that

1242
00:55:31,780 --> 00:55:29,240
this could be the cause and he also

1243
00:55:32,830 --> 00:55:31,790
talks to a friend and colleague he has

1244
00:55:36,100 --> 00:55:32,840
in the Houston area

1245
00:55:40,090 --> 00:55:36,110
John F Schuessler that's when John

1246
00:55:42,820 --> 00:55:40,100
Shuster who was a engineer for McDonnell

1247
00:55:46,410 --> 00:55:42,830
Douglas a contractor working at NASA's

1248
00:55:50,410 --> 00:55:46,420
Johnson Space Center so this is a he's a

1249
00:55:55,180 --> 00:55:50,420
deputy director of MUFON the mutual UFO

1250
00:55:56,560 --> 00:55:55,190
network which was I guess in you

1251
00:55:59,070 --> 00:55:56,570
mentioned we were talking about Apple

1252
00:56:01,300 --> 00:55:59,080
earlier a pro apparently had a

1253
00:56:03,490 --> 00:56:01,310
separation of ranks and there was a

1254
00:56:05,500 --> 00:56:03,500
disagreement over policy and that's the

1255
00:56:09,009 --> 00:56:05,510
way the UFO field is by the way these

1256
00:56:10,779 --> 00:56:09,019
organizations have policy disagreements

1257
00:56:12,729 --> 00:56:10,789
they split apart and they create new

1258
00:56:15,489 --> 00:56:12,739
organizations and that would that was

1259
00:56:21,130 --> 00:56:15,499
MoveOn so John Schuessler was very

1260
00:56:24,519 --> 00:56:21,140
active in that and he at some point he

1261
00:56:26,979 --> 00:56:24,529
receives word separately from a pro

1262
00:56:30,459 --> 00:56:26,989
about this case because they're they're

1263
00:56:32,739 --> 00:56:30,469
unable due to the distance involved that

1264
00:56:34,059 --> 00:56:32,749
tried the case down he's he lives in

1265
00:56:36,219 --> 00:56:34,069
Houston which is just a short distance

1266
00:56:38,919 --> 00:56:36,229
away some things happen this is in his

1267
00:56:40,749 --> 00:56:38,929
backyard so he begins investigating the

1268
00:56:42,609 --> 00:56:40,759
case we're gonna come back to that now

1269
00:56:45,219 --> 00:56:42,619
what what was it what was our other

1270
00:56:48,009 --> 00:56:45,229
questions I forgotten it was about the

1271
00:56:50,829 --> 00:56:48,019
other witnesses well this additional

1272
00:56:52,839 --> 00:56:50,839
witnesses did gribble get any reports at

1273
00:56:55,239 --> 00:56:52,849
the national UFO center MUFON appro

1274
00:56:59,079 --> 00:56:55,249
anybody else see this because as a

1275
00:57:00,729 --> 00:56:59,089
sighting of this magnitude such a

1276
00:57:02,919 --> 00:57:00,739
low-level sighting of such a large

1277
00:57:05,889 --> 00:57:02,929
object with shooting out flames

1278
00:57:07,689 --> 00:57:05,899
accompanied by several possibly several

1279
00:57:10,049 --> 00:57:07,699
squadrons of helicopters you would think

1280
00:57:13,179 --> 00:57:10,059
that you would generate more than just

1281
00:57:16,359 --> 00:57:13,189
the primary witness reports that's right

1282
00:57:18,549 --> 00:57:16,369
in in that weekly world and weekly world

1283
00:57:22,359 --> 00:57:18,559
news story there were there were three

1284
00:57:24,669 --> 00:57:22,369
witnesses who were quoted and then

1285
00:57:28,779 --> 00:57:24,679
seemed to disappear from the UFO record

1286
00:57:32,549 --> 00:57:28,789
it was Nellie's etic her son John and

1287
00:57:37,379 --> 00:57:32,559
his wife Tony they saw a diamond-shaped

1288
00:57:40,059 --> 00:57:37,389
bright object but no helicopters and

1289
00:57:44,139 --> 00:57:40,069
unfortunately there's no other detailed

1290
00:57:47,049 --> 00:57:44,149
report on them and as far as I know not

1291
00:57:49,539 --> 00:57:47,059
nothing else after the story broke there

1292
00:57:51,459 --> 00:57:49,549
were I'm trying to quote here they were

1293
00:57:54,189 --> 00:57:51,469
pleased in the media for additional

1294
00:57:55,899 --> 00:57:54,199
witnesses and so and that's troublesome

1295
00:57:58,120 --> 00:57:55,909
to me because that almost seems like

1296
00:58:00,309 --> 00:57:58,130
they're saying you know please help the

1297
00:58:03,370 --> 00:58:00,319
victims of this accident won't you come

1298
00:58:06,429 --> 00:58:03,380
forward any they were recruiting and you

1299
00:58:10,120 --> 00:58:06,439
could say witnesses and they did receive

1300
00:58:12,849 --> 00:58:10,130
a response but this just signing

1301
00:58:14,769 --> 00:58:12,859
occurred closely the International

1302
00:58:17,709 --> 00:58:14,779
Airport there in Houston about 15 miles

1303
00:58:19,149 --> 00:58:17,719
away from it and if this dock you would

1304
00:58:21,879 --> 00:58:19,159
think things could be seen from there

1305
00:58:22,500 --> 00:58:21,889
but apparently there's there's no record

1306
00:58:27,060 --> 00:58:22,510
of raid

1307
00:58:29,130 --> 00:58:27,070
I seen the van or the helicopters but

1308
00:58:32,910 --> 00:58:29,140
you know three three counties there that

1309
00:58:34,800 --> 00:58:32,920
potentially do draw from and no one

1310
00:58:37,650 --> 00:58:34,810
independently reported but afterwards

1311
00:58:39,420 --> 00:58:37,660
there was there was a policeman who said

1312
00:58:42,870 --> 00:58:39,430
that he saw something later the same

1313
00:58:46,920 --> 00:58:42,880
night but he saw only helicopters and

1314
00:58:49,500 --> 00:58:46,930
you know 9 to 12 maybe he described

1315
00:58:52,500 --> 00:58:49,510
similar models and they were they were

1316
00:58:56,250 --> 00:58:52,510
searching the fields for something other

1317
00:58:59,190 --> 00:58:56,260
people said that they saw him but there

1318
00:59:02,810 --> 00:58:59,200
was there was not an exact match for the

1319
00:59:06,030 --> 00:59:02,820
UFO when one report said that he saw a

1320
00:59:09,060 --> 00:59:06,040
UFO the size of a football field things

1321
00:59:12,240 --> 00:59:09,070
rectangular and he saw aliens inside

1322
00:59:14,880 --> 00:59:12,250
with Roman noses and it just it seems so

1323
00:59:16,890 --> 00:59:14,890
fantastic and so unlike what they had

1324
00:59:20,670 --> 00:59:16,900
reported you just have to wonder if that

1325
00:59:23,220 --> 00:59:20,680
was more an origin of fantasy but there

1326
00:59:25,230 --> 00:59:23,230
was one good one though but again it was

1327
00:59:28,740 --> 00:59:25,240
a different UFO it was a triangular

1328
00:59:32,730 --> 00:59:28,750
shaped object this was a Gerry McDonald

1329
00:59:35,460 --> 00:59:32,740
he saw the UFO about I think it was

1330
00:59:37,710 --> 00:59:35,470
maybe closer to a May evening and their

1331
00:59:39,930 --> 00:59:37,720
signing was at 9:00 and he saw it flying

1332
00:59:42,810 --> 00:59:39,940
over the city of Dayton he saw

1333
00:59:45,810 --> 00:59:42,820
triangular UFO with several lights on it

1334
00:59:48,300 --> 00:59:45,820
and when he first looked up he thought

1335
00:59:50,490 --> 00:59:48,310
it was begin year blimp which Houston

1336
00:59:54,060 --> 00:59:50,500
did have a Goodyear blimp flying at the

1337
00:59:56,820 --> 00:59:54,070
time but not that night and so there

1338
00:59:59,310 --> 00:59:56,830
were some UFO reports there were some

1339
01:00:02,460 --> 00:59:59,320
helicopter reports but no one saw

1340
01:00:04,140 --> 01:00:02,470
helicopters and UFOs Kris Lambright you

1341
01:00:07,230 --> 01:00:04,150
want to expand on that before we go on

1342
01:00:08,460 --> 01:00:07,240
well he's actually absolutely correct I

1343
01:00:10,230 --> 01:00:08,470
mean that's a good thing about someone

1344
01:00:11,550 --> 01:00:10,240
like Curt who's been really focusing on

1345
01:00:14,100 --> 01:00:11,560
this for the last two years is he's

1346
01:00:16,290 --> 01:00:14,110
fresh on many of the details it's not

1347
01:00:17,820 --> 01:00:16,300
most of them what he described about the

1348
01:00:19,950 --> 01:00:17,830
police officer who said he saw the

1349
01:00:22,350 --> 01:00:19,960
helicopters and the other witnesses in

1350
01:00:25,350 --> 01:00:22,360
particular the triangular shape is

1351
01:00:27,330 --> 01:00:25,360
absolutely correct but even even Vicki

1352
01:00:30,090 --> 01:00:27,340
made clear that they didn't have anybody

1353
01:00:32,130 --> 01:00:30,100
who saw helicopters and the UFOs

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01:00:35,010 --> 01:00:32,140
themselves the only aspect of the

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01:00:36,450 --> 01:00:35,020
triangular part of it that I'm on the

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01:00:38,970 --> 01:00:36,460
fence about as far as

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01:00:40,680 --> 01:00:38,980
essentially being correct is because one

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01:00:43,020 --> 01:00:40,690
of the things that I realized and doing

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01:00:44,700 --> 01:00:43,030
the illustration I did was Dominican

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01:00:46,920 --> 01:00:44,710
depending on how dark it was that night

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01:00:48,980 --> 01:00:46,930
and if there was let's say the flame was

1362
01:00:51,780 --> 01:00:48,990
coming out of only one end and

1363
01:00:53,910 --> 01:00:51,790
reflecting just off of one end of a

1364
01:00:56,099 --> 01:00:53,920
diamond shaped object you might

1365
01:00:57,900 --> 01:00:56,109
depending on the distance really only

1366
01:01:00,329 --> 01:00:57,910
notice that end which would potentially

1367
01:01:01,500 --> 01:01:00,339
leave it looking kind of triangular the

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01:01:02,400 --> 01:01:01,510
other side would basically be

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01:01:04,109 --> 01:01:02,410
pitch-black

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01:01:06,540 --> 01:01:04,119
you wouldn't even see it I mean that's

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01:01:08,550 --> 01:01:06,550
hypothetical conjecture but um but no

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01:01:11,280 --> 01:01:08,560
Curtis Curtis doing a bang-up job of the

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01:01:14,339 --> 01:01:11,290
details I was going to say at this point

1374
01:01:18,060 --> 01:01:14,349
in the story that the UFO investigation

1375
01:01:20,640 --> 01:01:18,070
really began John Schuessler led a team

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01:01:24,030 --> 01:01:20,650
called Project visit and it was usually

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01:01:25,800 --> 01:01:24,040
mostly come by his colleagues there at

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01:01:29,370 --> 01:01:25,810
the Johnson Space Center these were

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01:01:32,250 --> 01:01:29,380
engineers these were guys that should be

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building UFOs and spacecraft you know

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01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:34,210
they were worried he was that most of

1382
01:01:37,800 --> 01:01:35,410
them were involved in that space shuttle

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01:01:40,530 --> 01:01:37,810
program which by the way you know

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01:01:42,480 --> 01:01:40,540
remember this is 1980 it was it was

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01:01:44,490 --> 01:01:42,490
right during that same time that the

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Space Shuttle first launched so there

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were a lot of space development and so

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01:01:53,460 --> 01:01:51,010
these guys were probably pretty busy in

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01:01:55,230 --> 01:01:53,470
their day jobs which is it's kind of

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01:01:56,760 --> 01:01:55,240
interesting but so it's on their

1391
01:01:59,010 --> 01:01:56,770
evenings and weekends they were looking

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01:02:01,320 --> 01:01:59,020
in this case John Schuessler mad daddy

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01:02:04,950 --> 01:02:01,330
cash he saw her injuries he took

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01:02:08,130 --> 01:02:04,960
photographs of her hair lost she told

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01:02:10,310 --> 01:02:08,140
him the story and he when he first

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01:02:13,410 --> 01:02:10,320
talked to her on the phone you know he

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01:02:15,359 --> 01:02:13,420
was concerned you know because he didn't

1398
01:02:17,400 --> 01:02:15,369
put two and two together this was the

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01:02:19,710 --> 01:02:17,410
woman that his friend dr. Susman had

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01:02:23,310 --> 01:02:19,720
talked about but you know eventually he

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01:02:25,560 --> 01:02:23,320
makes a connection um she's uh you know

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01:02:29,520 --> 01:02:25,570
she's still weak from her problems

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01:02:31,260 --> 01:02:29,530
medical problems and he examines the car

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01:02:33,000 --> 01:02:31,270
with a Geiger counter and apparently

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01:02:35,270 --> 01:02:33,010
doesn't doesn't show anything I think

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01:02:39,329 --> 01:02:35,280
he's got a compass and it doesn't show

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01:02:41,640 --> 01:02:39,339
magnetic effects but one strange thing

1408
01:02:45,270 --> 01:02:41,650
was and one of many details of

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01:02:46,650 --> 01:02:45,280
overlooked was that when exactly when

1410
01:02:48,150 --> 01:02:46,660
this happened here on the side he went

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01:02:49,730 --> 01:02:48,160
we're not sure but Vickie Landrum

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01:02:53,900 --> 01:02:49,740
reached for

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01:02:58,250 --> 01:02:53,910
and the heat had caused the dashboard to

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01:02:59,780 --> 01:02:58,260
be so soft her the fingerprints are not

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01:03:02,450 --> 01:02:59,790
fingerprints but the impression of her

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01:03:08,060 --> 01:03:02,460
fingers were molded into the dashboard

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01:03:10,700 --> 01:03:08,070
and this the remember this is Houston

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01:03:12,859 --> 01:03:10,710
summer seemed very hot their cars are

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01:03:15,680 --> 01:03:12,869
built with withstand this this normal

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01:03:18,589 --> 01:03:15,690
heat so this is one strange thing

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01:03:20,089 --> 01:03:18,599
whether it's an anomaly can't say but

1422
01:03:22,760 --> 01:03:20,099
that was that was one detail in the case

1423
01:03:24,920 --> 01:03:22,770
the ladies in particular he impressed

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01:03:28,400 --> 01:03:24,930
them because it was a that was a lasting

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01:03:31,430 --> 01:03:28,410
visible reminder of the big encounter

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this is the cash Landrum encounter we're

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talking about it on our show this week

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with Kurt Collins and Chris flam bright

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you'll never forget a former US military

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intelligence officer is haunted by

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intense dreams about a beautiful woman

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pleading for his help after a terrible

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battle in outer space but the dreams

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turn out to be true and thrust him into

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a telepathic love affair with a woman

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government gold has always been

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you have a comment or question about the

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guests are chris Lambright encouraged

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collins both of whom have done extensive

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01:08:21,360 --> 01:08:18,880
investigations into the cash Landrum

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01:08:25,470 --> 01:08:21,370
case so you know I'm what I'm thinking

1529
01:08:28,289 --> 01:08:25,480
of the scene of embedding handprints or

1530
01:08:30,870 --> 01:08:28,299
anything into a car it's almost like the

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01:08:33,650 --> 01:08:30,880
scene and Man of Steel the new Superman

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reboot where the kids in school are

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taunting Clark Kent was afraid to fight

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01:08:43,680 --> 01:08:39,819
back because he's Superman he's the

1535
01:08:46,740 --> 01:08:43,690
young Superman he puts his hand on this

1536
01:08:49,140 --> 01:08:46,750
fence this metal fence you can see where

1537
01:08:50,940 --> 01:08:49,150
he's just embedded it because of his

1538
01:08:52,590 --> 01:08:50,950
strength I don't know if the impression

1539
01:08:55,289 --> 01:08:52,600
was that strong but you know

1540
01:08:58,380 --> 01:08:55,299
nevertheless it was still there

1541
01:09:01,499 --> 01:08:58,390
years later and in Betty cash owned the

1542
01:09:03,690 --> 01:09:01,509
car for years and getting back to the

1543
01:09:06,720 --> 01:09:03,700
car that's neither in these ladies for

1544
01:09:10,140 --> 01:09:06,730
were wealthy so she couldn't afford to

1545
01:09:12,630 --> 01:09:10,150
say hey take my car and examine it she

1546
01:09:15,930 --> 01:09:12,640
had to drive it so that's that's when

1547
01:09:17,729 --> 01:09:15,940
the bad things that maybe examination in

1548
01:09:19,470 --> 01:09:17,739
the car if it were treated as evidence

1549
01:09:21,269 --> 01:09:19,480
then it would it would yield it

1550
01:09:23,099 --> 01:09:21,279
something so nobody took a geiger

1551
01:09:25,410 --> 01:09:23,109
counter to that car to see what yeah

1552
01:09:27,720 --> 01:09:25,420
John Shuster did but that was the extent

1553
01:09:29,880 --> 01:09:27,730
of it there were no further there were

1554
01:09:32,640 --> 01:09:29,890
no further tests that we know I think

1555
01:09:34,920 --> 01:09:32,650
there was I have read that he there was

1556
01:09:38,400 --> 01:09:34,930
a piece of plastic on the dashboard that

1557
01:09:39,780 --> 01:09:38,410
he did he examined but apparently

1558
01:09:42,329 --> 01:09:39,790
nothing was found because nothing was

1559
01:09:45,150 --> 01:09:42,339
ever published about that so basically

1560
01:09:48,090 --> 01:09:45,160
the car itself there were no lease on

1561
01:09:50,700 --> 01:09:48,100
the surface symptoms of anything really

1562
01:09:53,729 --> 01:09:50,710
weird other than this um but not

1563
01:09:56,580 --> 01:09:53,739
extraordinary a Betty claim that the car

1564
01:09:59,190 --> 01:09:56,590
ran roughly after the encounter another

1565
01:10:01,260 --> 01:09:59,200
thing another fact is and then this is

1566
01:10:05,550 --> 01:10:01,270
one of the things that we don't know if

1567
01:10:09,060 --> 01:10:05,560
this is from bad reporting or just how

1568
01:10:10,260 --> 01:10:09,070
this happened but the initial reports

1569
01:10:12,180 --> 01:10:10,270
written they said that

1570
01:10:14,880 --> 01:10:12,190
Betty turned the ignition off the car

1571
01:10:16,860 --> 01:10:14,890
when she I don't know if she actually

1572
01:10:18,450 --> 01:10:16,870
said that if that was assumed and that

1573
01:10:21,390 --> 01:10:18,460
was written it written that way now when

1574
01:10:23,930 --> 01:10:21,400
she talked to another UFO investigator

1575
01:10:26,880 --> 01:10:23,940
Alan Henry who at the Center for UFO

1576
01:10:28,860 --> 01:10:26,890
studies she specifically said that she

1577
01:10:31,530 --> 01:10:28,870
had not turned the car off and then

1578
01:10:34,020 --> 01:10:31,540
hidden it had stalled when the UFO was

1579
01:10:36,240 --> 01:10:34,030
present and you remember the scene in

1580
01:10:38,730 --> 01:10:36,250
Close Encounters when the UFO stops a

1581
01:10:40,320 --> 01:10:38,740
car that's based on the UFO cases and

1582
01:10:43,530 --> 01:10:40,330
you know that's been that's been

1583
01:10:45,960 --> 01:10:43,540
reported before another element that has

1584
01:10:48,000 --> 01:10:45,970
always puzzled me was brought out by the

1585
01:10:50,760 --> 01:10:48,010
television shows sightings I believe

1586
01:10:52,940 --> 01:10:50,770
were unsolved mysteries years ago when

1587
01:10:55,830 --> 01:10:52,950
they covered this particular case that

1588
01:10:58,790 --> 01:10:55,840
what about a hundred foot stretch of

1589
01:11:01,710 --> 01:10:58,800
road was fairly shortly thereafter

1590
01:11:03,480 --> 01:11:01,720
repaid correct it was torn up and in

1591
01:11:05,400 --> 01:11:03,490
repaved was that a detail I'm

1592
01:11:07,620 --> 01:11:05,410
remembering correctly Chris spoke

1593
01:11:11,820 --> 01:11:07,630
directly with Vicki Lanham about this

1594
01:11:12,540 --> 01:11:11,830
and I'd like for him to describe what

1595
01:11:14,850 --> 01:11:12,550
she told him

1596
01:11:16,380 --> 01:11:14,860
great great yes in fact it's kind of

1597
01:11:18,720 --> 01:11:16,390
back in my memory because I was watching

1598
01:11:20,820 --> 01:11:18,730
a little as her videotape talking about

1599
01:11:23,340 --> 01:11:20,830
this last night that fairly shortly

1600
01:11:26,460 --> 01:11:23,350
thereafter she got some calls from

1601
01:11:28,890 --> 01:11:26,470
people who lived in that area and to

1602
01:11:31,020 --> 01:11:28,900
kind of refresh this the whole story at

1603
01:11:33,690 --> 01:11:31,030
the time this was a narrow little

1604
01:11:35,460 --> 01:11:33,700
blacktop road I mean nothing fancy just

1605
01:11:37,410 --> 01:11:35,470
a little you could barely get two cars

1606
01:11:39,570 --> 01:11:37,420
to go pass on this perfectly straight

1607
01:11:42,900 --> 01:11:39,580
stretch of road between very very tall

1608
01:11:45,030 --> 01:11:42,910
pine trees and she's reiterated there

1609
01:11:46,530 --> 01:11:45,040
were a couple of trailers maybe you know

1610
01:11:48,600 --> 01:11:46,540
up and down that stretch nothing right

1611
01:11:50,160 --> 01:11:48,610
there but basically there were no houses

1612
01:11:53,510 --> 01:11:50,170
or anything there's a fairly deserted

1613
01:11:55,740 --> 01:11:53,520
stretch and shortly after the incident

1614
01:11:57,630 --> 01:11:55,750
she's got calls from people who said

1615
01:12:00,180 --> 01:11:57,640
they're tearing up the road and she said

1616
01:12:01,920 --> 01:12:00,190
someone came out and I think it was she

1617
01:12:05,130 --> 01:12:01,930
said it was within a week or a matter of

1618
01:12:07,500 --> 01:12:05,140
days came out chopped up that section of

1619
01:12:11,720 --> 01:12:07,510
the road hauled it off and covered

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01:12:15,030 --> 01:12:11,730
trucks and laid the report the asphalt

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01:12:17,490 --> 01:12:15,040
she then said apparently that bit of

1622
01:12:19,950 --> 01:12:17,500
asphalt turned mushy I think was the

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01:12:22,510 --> 01:12:19,960
term she use and they came back cut it

1624
01:12:24,340 --> 01:12:22,520
up again and

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01:12:26,500 --> 01:12:24,350
redid it and I believe it was at this

1626
01:12:29,470 --> 01:12:26,510
time that she says they laid about a

1627
01:12:30,850 --> 01:12:29,480
hundred foot stretch of concrete because

1628
01:12:32,320 --> 01:12:30,860
she said for a while you could tell you

1629
01:12:34,660 --> 01:12:32,330
drive down the road all sand turned

1630
01:12:36,610 --> 01:12:34,670
white for that stretch right where this

1631
01:12:37,810 --> 01:12:36,620
event occurred according to her and she

1632
01:12:39,550 --> 01:12:37,820
said there were four years she could go

1633
01:12:41,530 --> 01:12:39,560
right by there and know exactly where

1634
01:12:43,960 --> 01:12:41,540
where they have been occurred then

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01:12:45,820 --> 01:12:43,970
ultimately at about the time that there

1636
01:12:47,650 --> 01:12:45,830
was a small store that started up so

1637
01:12:49,600 --> 01:12:47,660
that was kind of a landmark that she

1638
01:12:51,790 --> 01:12:49,610
used to kind of remember about where the

1639
01:12:53,590 --> 01:12:51,800
event occurred about that time they came

1640
01:12:56,350 --> 01:12:53,600
back and apparently then just reblock

1641
01:12:58,210 --> 01:12:56,360
topped the entire stretch so apparently

1642
01:13:00,010 --> 01:12:58,220
the concrete was was not obvious any

1643
01:13:01,720 --> 01:13:00,020
longer apparently right after within a

1644
01:13:04,150 --> 01:13:01,730
matter of days or a week or so after the

1645
01:13:05,950 --> 01:13:04,160
event somebody came in in trucks covered

1646
01:13:09,370 --> 01:13:05,960
trucks chopped up that part of the road

1647
01:13:11,380 --> 01:13:09,380
hauled it off and subsequently went back

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01:13:13,150 --> 01:13:11,390
hauled off what they had done redid it

1649
01:13:15,520 --> 01:13:13,160
again and poured concrete over that

1650
01:13:17,260 --> 01:13:15,530
stretch and then a third time blacktop

1651
01:13:20,380 --> 01:13:17,270
the whole things by the time I was down

1652
01:13:22,630 --> 01:13:20,390
there in 1985 it was a very nice smooth

1653
01:13:25,120 --> 01:13:22,640
well done road nice white lines on both

1654
01:13:27,970 --> 01:13:25,130
sides in or the whole nine yards but but

1655
01:13:29,650 --> 01:13:27,980
yes it was very clear to her and one of

1656
01:13:31,450 --> 01:13:29,660
the points she made very obvious that

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01:13:33,460 --> 01:13:31,460
somebody came in pretty quickly after

1658
01:13:35,440 --> 01:13:33,470
the event and cut up that part of the

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01:13:37,270 --> 01:13:35,450
road where the event occurred Chris were

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01:13:40,450 --> 01:13:37,280
you able to get any information about

1661
01:13:42,310 --> 01:13:40,460
highway department projects as to why

1662
01:13:44,560 --> 01:13:42,320
they might have done this thing some

1663
01:13:45,940 --> 01:13:44,570
kind of official explanation I wasn't

1664
01:13:47,740 --> 01:13:45,950
but it's funny you mentioned that I had

1665
01:13:50,410 --> 01:13:47,750
a young man who was a friend at the time

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01:13:52,510 --> 01:13:50,420
who write in this time period of 85 and

1667
01:13:54,220 --> 01:13:52,520
I was interested in this and some reason

1668
01:13:56,680 --> 01:13:54,230
just on his only one day he told me he

1669
01:13:59,080 --> 01:13:56,690
had started calling around to see if he

1670
01:14:01,230 --> 01:13:59,090
could find out who had done this there

1671
01:14:05,470 --> 01:14:01,240
were no real records on on who did it

1672
01:14:07,720 --> 01:14:05,480
but he told me he talked to somebody who

1673
01:14:09,580 --> 01:14:07,730
used the word boron I don't know whether

1674
01:14:11,470 --> 01:14:09,590
that's a normal something that's mixed

1675
01:14:14,230 --> 01:14:11,480
in with highway or a concrete or whatnot

1676
01:14:17,080 --> 01:14:14,240
but that there was some boron and a part

1677
01:14:18,970 --> 01:14:17,090
of the road that was put there and I'll

1678
01:14:21,340 --> 01:14:18,980
mention this even though I do want to

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01:14:22,960 --> 01:14:21,350
qualify it by saying this is I guess you

1680
01:14:25,090 --> 01:14:22,970
would say hearsay something that I even

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had stumbled across on I don't know if

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01:14:29,530 --> 01:14:26,510
it was you or what dates or one of the

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above top-secret sites where someone had

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written in his own he said I just want

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01:14:35,700 --> 01:14:34,310
to give you my own testimony you can

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01:14:37,470 --> 01:14:35,710
find it if you look for it

1687
01:14:39,560 --> 01:14:37,480
they don't know any more than that but

1688
01:14:42,900 --> 01:14:39,570
it when I read it my gut instinct was

1689
01:14:44,370 --> 01:14:42,910
sounds extremely believable a gentleman

1690
01:14:46,680 --> 01:14:44,380
who said he had a friend of his were

1691
01:14:48,240 --> 01:14:46,690
driving down that road one night and it

1692
01:14:49,800 --> 01:14:48,250
wasn't until later on when he read about

1693
01:14:52,350 --> 01:14:49,810
the incident of the the woman's

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01:14:54,420 --> 01:14:52,360
experience that it dawned on him that

1695
01:14:55,740 --> 01:14:54,430
this would have been about that time he

1696
01:14:57,600 --> 01:14:55,750
was driving down that stretch of road

1697
01:15:00,240 --> 01:14:57,610
one night and suddenly the whole road

1698
01:15:01,380 --> 01:15:00,250
was blocked with sawhorses both ways he

1699
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said it first they thought it would've

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been an accident but it was unusual on

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that road to block both directions and

1702
01:15:10,740 --> 01:15:08,290
he said there was a crew out there with

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a backhoe digging up the road they could

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smell the smell of creosote asphalt and

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they just had a light in the trees

1706
01:15:20,220 --> 01:15:18,610
nothing the men working were not marked

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and you know anything like Road course

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who would be doing road construction in

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the middle of the night that was the

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point it was in the middle of the night

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and they had both directions both lanes

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block and they had to turn around and go

1713
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back the other direction but apparently

1714
01:15:35,040 --> 01:15:32,860
he remembered that after reading about

1715
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the cash Landrum case as something that

1716
01:15:37,320 --> 01:15:36,580
he thought was very unusual why in the

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middle of the night

1718
01:15:41,670 --> 01:15:39,460
why would construction crew that but he

1719
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was just giving his own testimony so if

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if he was available to be him for

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01:15:46,890 --> 01:15:45,190
anybody to talk to him someone could

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01:15:48,300 --> 01:15:46,900
find out who he was it would be really

1723
01:15:50,580 --> 01:15:48,310
interesting to know what he could and

1724
01:15:52,260 --> 01:15:50,590
his friend would both verify that I have

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01:15:54,840 --> 01:15:52,270
another question here real quick John

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Schuessler you know was a top scientist

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01:15:59,040 --> 01:15:56,500
and and you know I'm know John for many

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01:16:01,920 --> 01:15:59,050
years he's retired now but I'm wondering

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if he made any effort to go out and

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actually do radiation readings at the

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site and possibly test some of the trees

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that were obviously if you're gonna be

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you know heating up an environment

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you're gonna have some some sort of

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the trees and and grasses and that sort

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of things you know of anybody that did

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any sort of field side investigation of

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the cache lanthanum gauge will have that

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answer in our next segment with Chris

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Lambright and Curt Collins joining gene

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the situation mr. O'Brien we gave to a

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today okay said okay I think we called

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me KK last time right KK might might you

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Kimmie Keegan Barnes's the name I was

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born with so you can call me KK okay

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Ted I don't think they'll be able to

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handle it okay we have take a with Chris

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Lambright and Kurt Collins and KK had

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asked a question just before our break

1861
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which will hear the answer to right now

1862
01:21:43,350 --> 01:21:41,410
well we need to acknowledge the worth it

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that uh John Schuessler

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01:21:50,940 --> 01:21:46,840
did in this case now initially he's

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01:21:54,540 --> 01:21:50,950
investigating this with the team of of

1866
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his project visits his squad and these

1867
01:21:59,790 --> 01:21:57,970
are all highly trained people so they're

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interviewing the witnesses they take

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01:22:06,270 --> 01:22:02,350
Vicki Lander to the scene and they

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determined they found the location

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measured the distance and it took a

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Geiger counter which apparently didn't

1873
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didn't find anything so there was there

1874
01:22:18,000 --> 01:22:15,670
was some initial testing of the same

1875
01:22:19,740 --> 01:22:18,010
there was there are photographs there no

1876
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close-up photographs of the road that

1877
01:22:24,900 --> 01:22:21,010
I've been able to find that there's

1878
01:22:26,880 --> 01:22:24,910
there's a road sign and then a team

1879
01:22:29,850 --> 01:22:26,890
member Alan Holt is in the distance to

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then to indicate the position from the

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car that it would UFO was spotted and

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they're the ones that that helped get

1883
01:22:39,470 --> 01:22:36,940
the word out to the media to get some

1884
01:22:41,640 --> 01:22:39,480
coverage to try to get some help for the

1885
01:22:45,810 --> 01:22:41,650
attention for the witnesses and some

1886
01:22:47,550 --> 01:22:45,820
help form and the the helicopter and the

1887
01:22:50,790 --> 01:22:47,560
UFO witnesses came forward as a result

1888
01:22:52,950 --> 01:22:50,800
to this they wanted one of the key

1889
01:22:55,560 --> 01:22:52,960
things this point was been through his

1890
01:22:57,750 --> 01:22:55,570
network of contacts and MUFON John

1891
01:23:00,450 --> 01:22:57,760
Schuessler sent a copy of the medical

1892
01:23:03,480 --> 01:23:00,460
records that were available to dr. Peter

1893
01:23:04,299 --> 01:23:03,490
rank who was a MUFON member and he's a

1894
01:23:06,279 --> 01:23:04,309
radio

1895
01:23:08,559 --> 01:23:06,289
just that there was a University of

1896
01:23:11,439 --> 01:23:08,569
Wisconsin without examining the

1897
01:23:14,290 --> 01:23:11,449
witnesses looking only the photographs

1898
01:23:18,239 --> 01:23:14,300
in medical records he it was his opinion

1899
01:23:22,569 --> 01:23:18,249
that they were exposed to radiation the

1900
01:23:26,349 --> 01:23:22,579
the available information from them did

1901
01:23:29,709 --> 01:23:26,359
the doctors at Parkland Hospital listed

1902
01:23:31,779 --> 01:23:29,719
the symptoms and they couldn't say okay

1903
01:23:33,040 --> 01:23:31,789
well this is from I'm just making

1904
01:23:35,079 --> 01:23:33,050
something up leukemia

1905
01:23:37,029 --> 01:23:35,089
there wasn't a just one medical

1906
01:23:39,489 --> 01:23:37,039
condition that caused the problem with

1907
01:23:42,459 --> 01:23:39,499
the radiation was if it was ionizing

1908
01:23:45,819 --> 01:23:42,469
radiation like from a nuclear weapon or

1909
01:23:47,079 --> 01:23:45,829
you know shielding that was bad the

1910
01:23:48,669 --> 01:23:47,089
cause of symptoms

1911
01:23:51,129 --> 01:23:48,679
he should have instantly killed them are

1912
01:23:54,189 --> 01:23:51,139
absurd they're after some of the

1913
01:23:56,379 --> 01:23:54,199
symptoms like that Vicki Lanham had our

1914
01:23:59,379 --> 01:23:56,389
problems well I think they all did to

1915
01:24:02,349 --> 01:23:59,389
some extent as a result of the divine

1916
01:24:04,270 --> 01:24:02,359
light or the radiation that that was

1917
01:24:06,599 --> 01:24:04,280
more characteristic of something else

1918
01:24:08,589 --> 01:24:06,609
and some of the characteristics

1919
01:24:11,259 --> 01:24:08,599
reflected what would have been caused by

1920
01:24:13,659 --> 01:24:11,269
microwave radiation so there was no easy

1921
01:24:17,139 --> 01:24:13,669
answer for what caused her problem and

1922
01:24:21,250 --> 01:24:17,149
it was almost as if you had to have some

1923
01:24:25,000 --> 01:24:21,260
multi radiation emitting source so that

1924
01:24:28,449 --> 01:24:25,010
was that was quite puzzling and with the

1925
01:24:30,790 --> 01:24:28,459
controversy that developed was simplest

1926
01:24:31,929 --> 01:24:30,800
medical records weren't released it

1927
01:24:33,669 --> 01:24:31,939
couldn't be proved that there was a

1928
01:24:37,149 --> 01:24:33,679
one-for-one correlation between the

1929
01:24:39,429 --> 01:24:37,159
injuries and UFO sighting I'll tell you

1930
01:24:42,309 --> 01:24:39,439
something that I thought was really nice

1931
01:24:45,939 --> 01:24:42,319
to be coincidental or at least unusual

1932
01:24:49,899 --> 01:24:45,949
is about six months before this event in

1933
01:24:51,729 --> 01:24:49,909
the May of 1980 new Fon Journal was an

1934
01:24:53,290 --> 01:24:51,739
article written by Richard nintzel and

1935
01:24:55,209 --> 01:24:53,300
John Shuster called evaluation of

1936
01:24:57,129 --> 01:24:55,219
medical injuries resulting from UFO

1937
01:24:57,849 --> 01:24:57,139
Close Encounters and in the first

1938
01:25:01,829 --> 01:24:57,859
paragraph

1939
01:25:04,239 --> 01:25:01,839
they almost sight line by line the exact

1940
01:25:06,909 --> 01:25:04,249
symptoms that that these ladies

1941
01:25:09,459 --> 01:25:06,919
experienced starting with that's the

1942
01:25:11,229 --> 01:25:09,469
nausea vomiting headache blindness

1943
01:25:13,659 --> 01:25:11,239
procession of odors then they go into

1944
01:25:15,939 --> 01:25:13,669
more chronic effects skin lesions

1945
01:25:17,500 --> 01:25:15,949
pathology through a no mechanism skin

1946
01:25:18,010 --> 01:25:17,510
lesions which previously were described

1947
01:25:21,010 --> 01:25:18,020
as

1948
01:25:22,930 --> 01:25:21,020
produced by ionizing radiation do not

1949
01:25:24,250 --> 01:25:22,940
compare clinically as we know it on and

1950
01:25:27,310 --> 01:25:24,260
on and on a very short article but I

1951
01:25:29,740 --> 01:25:27,320
thought it was mighty timely that about

1952
01:25:31,480 --> 01:25:29,750
six months later or whenever he found

1953
01:25:33,820 --> 01:25:31,490
out about it that a case came up that

1954
01:25:37,210 --> 01:25:33,830
exhibited almost exactly what they were

1955
01:25:39,730 --> 01:25:37,220
citing I don't want to be too skeptical

1956
01:25:41,890 --> 01:25:39,740
but it's almost as if they were waiting

1957
01:25:44,230 --> 01:25:41,900
for this to happen you know I'm

1958
01:25:47,200 --> 01:25:44,240
interested here in the other possibility

1959
01:25:49,510 --> 01:25:47,210
that I raised earlier I mean it sounds

1960
01:25:51,640 --> 01:25:49,520
like a pretty strange aircraft when you

1961
01:25:55,090 --> 01:25:51,650
hear the description but is there any

1962
01:25:56,740 --> 01:25:55,100
possibility at all and either if you can

1963
01:26:00,160 --> 01:25:56,750
answer this or both of you separately

1964
01:26:02,170 --> 01:26:00,170
we're together in unison any possibility

1965
01:26:04,750 --> 01:26:02,180
this was a test aircraft of some kind

1966
01:26:06,640 --> 01:26:04,760
yes yes but we're not going to go there

1967
01:26:09,070 --> 01:26:06,650
directly we were there's some things we

1968
01:26:12,880 --> 01:26:09,080
have to say about the investigation John

1969
01:26:15,370 --> 01:26:12,890
Shuster took information from the

1970
01:26:18,010 --> 01:26:15,380
witnesses descriptions Viki was even

1971
01:26:20,680 --> 01:26:18,020
hypnotized and so all the details didn't

1972
01:26:24,400 --> 01:26:20,690
come out at once and one of the things

1973
01:26:25,900 --> 01:26:24,410
Colby had done was he attempted to draw

1974
01:26:30,970 --> 01:26:25,910
the scene and it wasn't much of an

1975
01:26:33,250 --> 01:26:30,980
artist but he and there's parson to some

1976
01:26:34,360 --> 01:26:33,260
really need to let Chris tell but he

1977
01:26:37,840 --> 01:26:34,370
developed the picture

1978
01:26:39,220 --> 01:26:37,850
I'm the UFO and a description he said

1979
01:26:41,260 --> 01:26:39,230
that the center of it was raining with

1980
01:26:46,660 --> 01:26:41,270
little lights and that the craft was

1981
01:26:47,710 --> 01:26:46,670
ongoing and now's the time in the story

1982
01:26:52,200 --> 01:26:47,720
and we're going to come back to the

1983
01:26:55,360 --> 01:26:52,210
secret Pratt where Chris describes how

1984
01:26:58,270 --> 01:26:55,370
he was attempting to a painting of an

1985
01:26:59,920 --> 01:26:58,280
accurate painting of the UFO well yeah

1986
01:27:01,330 --> 01:26:59,930
actually at the time that I don't know

1987
01:27:03,730 --> 01:27:01,340
if any of you seen this painting I did

1988
01:27:06,190 --> 01:27:03,740
of the Socorro object back in the day I

1989
01:27:07,480 --> 01:27:06,200
had hoped to do a number of this was

1990
01:27:09,250 --> 01:27:07,490
when I was investigated for the Center

1991
01:27:11,200 --> 01:27:09,260
for UFO studies and I'd even talk to dr.

1992
01:27:14,080 --> 01:27:11,210
Hynek about this but the point was

1993
01:27:16,150 --> 01:27:14,090
getting the exact description so that I

1994
01:27:18,070 --> 01:27:16,160
was in this leading anyone made this

1995
01:27:21,400 --> 01:27:18,080
thing just it was going to take too much

1996
01:27:23,800 --> 01:27:21,410
time but the third one that I had worked

1997
01:27:25,600 --> 01:27:23,810
on was the cash Landrum object and when

1998
01:27:29,890 --> 01:27:25,610
I went down to talk to Vicki I actually

1999
01:27:31,720 --> 01:27:29,900
brought my initial workup with me and

2000
01:27:33,580 --> 01:27:31,730
showed it to her

2001
01:27:34,960 --> 01:27:33,590
and to just get an idea from her whether

2002
01:27:37,300 --> 01:27:34,970
she thought it was about the right shape

2003
01:27:39,640 --> 01:27:37,310
or you know what not and one of the

2004
01:27:41,110 --> 01:27:39,650
media things she mentioned was there

2005
01:27:44,830 --> 01:27:41,120
were no blue lights around the middle of

2006
01:27:45,970 --> 01:27:44,840
it which threw me for a loop and I asked

2007
01:27:47,560 --> 01:27:45,980
her I said wait a minute

2008
01:27:49,960 --> 01:27:47,570
you know I a lot of this information

2009
01:27:53,050 --> 01:27:49,970
I've gotten from the articles and the

2010
01:27:55,270 --> 01:27:53,060
illustrations that John has produced and

2011
01:27:57,100 --> 01:27:55,280
she didn't know where I said well John's

2012
01:27:58,720 --> 01:27:57,110
one of the Articles that he's brothers I

2013
01:28:00,700 --> 01:27:58,730
think his wife or daughter had done an

2014
01:28:02,410 --> 01:28:00,710
illustration of it and you know had

2015
01:28:03,820 --> 01:28:02,420
these blue lights on it and Vickie was

2016
01:28:05,830 --> 01:28:03,830
the one who first mentioned wait a

2017
01:28:08,400 --> 01:28:05,840
minute he must have got that from

2018
01:28:10,900 --> 01:28:08,410
Colby's lite-brite board and

2019
01:28:12,190 --> 01:28:10,910
interestingly enough I sent Curt some

2020
01:28:13,780 --> 01:28:12,200
information the other day of some

2021
01:28:15,310 --> 01:28:13,790
excerpts from one of the conversations

2022
01:28:18,100 --> 01:28:15,320
that Vicki get in which she described

2023
01:28:20,200 --> 01:28:18,110
how all of this was worked out and Colby

2024
01:28:21,940 --> 01:28:20,210
had apparently been traumatized and had

2025
01:28:24,820 --> 01:28:21,950
started going through those old Big

2026
01:28:26,470 --> 01:28:24,830
Chief drawing pads just drawing and

2027
01:28:29,230 --> 01:28:26,480
drawing and drawing and even Betty I

2028
01:28:30,760 --> 01:28:29,240
think had mentioned and that Vicki was

2029
01:28:33,160 --> 01:28:30,770
spending a lot of money buying those

2030
01:28:35,170 --> 01:28:33,170
notepads and ultimately they just bought

2031
01:28:37,360 --> 01:28:35,180
a little electronic lite-brite board and

2032
01:28:39,940 --> 01:28:37,370
somewhere along the way it was

2033
01:28:41,800 --> 01:28:39,950
apparently Colby who had just been

2034
01:28:43,180 --> 01:28:41,810
putting in the little lights you're

2035
01:28:45,880 --> 01:28:43,190
making is only a child's little

2036
01:28:48,070 --> 01:28:45,890
illustration apparently according to the

2037
01:28:51,970 --> 01:28:48,080
ladies that had been what John kind of

2038
01:28:54,430 --> 01:28:51,980
based his illustrations on to present

2039
01:28:56,080 --> 01:28:54,440
this idea of this glowing object with

2040
01:28:57,220 --> 01:28:56,090
what obviously definitely look like

2041
01:28:58,720 --> 01:28:57,230
something out of the movie Close

2042
01:29:01,780 --> 01:28:58,730
Encounters and these little blue lights

2043
01:29:04,840 --> 01:29:01,790
around the middle when in fact as Vicki

2044
01:29:06,070 --> 01:29:04,850
told me if the thing was very very dark

2045
01:29:07,690 --> 01:29:06,080
and if it hadn't been for the flames

2046
01:29:10,660 --> 01:29:07,700
they may have just driven right under it

2047
01:29:12,670 --> 01:29:10,670
not even seen it so the illustrations

2048
01:29:15,430 --> 01:29:12,680
that are accompanying the articles and

2049
01:29:19,360 --> 01:29:15,440
even if you go back to his I guess in

2050
01:29:21,190 --> 01:29:19,370
mid 1981 that soon after the event this

2051
01:29:23,890 --> 01:29:21,200
pictures already being presented of an

2052
01:29:25,450 --> 01:29:23,900
object that's not at all what the act

2053
01:29:28,420 --> 01:29:25,460
other than the diamond-shaped and the

2054
01:29:30,370 --> 01:29:28,430
flames the object was not glowing from

2055
01:29:31,720 --> 01:29:30,380
any information I've been able to find

2056
01:29:33,250 --> 01:29:31,730
in that Curt can maybe tell you

2057
01:29:36,040 --> 01:29:33,260
differently but everything seems to be

2058
01:29:37,420 --> 01:29:36,050
that the light the flames were the only

2059
01:29:39,070 --> 01:29:37,430
real source of light there was no other

2060
01:29:41,830 --> 01:29:39,080
markings or any lights or anything on

2061
01:29:44,050 --> 01:29:41,840
the object this is remarkable me because

2062
01:29:45,910 --> 01:29:44,060
there are two major characteristics of

2063
01:29:49,450 --> 01:29:45,920
the UFO that are

2064
01:29:52,330 --> 01:29:49,460
somehow by the chief investigator so

2065
01:29:55,930 --> 01:29:52,340
it's I don't know if you remember in the

2066
01:29:58,300 --> 01:29:55,940
the Beltway sniper case someone said

2067
01:30:00,400 --> 01:29:58,310
that they were spotted a white van and

2068
01:30:02,440 --> 01:30:00,410
the whole concentration was chasing

2069
01:30:04,000 --> 01:30:02,450
after this imaginary white van that had

2070
01:30:06,700 --> 01:30:04,010
nothing whatsoever to do with the case

2071
01:30:09,490 --> 01:30:06,710
and and in this in this instance were

2072
01:30:11,350 --> 01:30:09,500
given this description of something that

2073
01:30:15,820 --> 01:30:11,360
with the blue lights it sounds more like

2074
01:30:17,530 --> 01:30:15,830
a spacecraft and it's getting in the way

2075
01:30:19,360 --> 01:30:17,540
of us finding what was actually there

2076
01:30:20,740 --> 01:30:19,370
what it might have been I'll tell you

2077
01:30:22,990 --> 01:30:20,750
what we got to find out what this is

2078
01:30:26,160 --> 01:30:23,000
gonna be in a moment we have Chris

2079
01:30:33,880 --> 01:30:26,170
Lambright and Curt Collins with Gene and

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01:33:52,320 --> 01:33:49,440
that's one two three free seeds calm

2153
01:33:55,050 --> 01:33:52,330
pharmacist Ben Fuchs believes virtually

2154
01:33:57,570 --> 01:33:55,060
all disease states can be backtracked to

2155
01:34:00,000 --> 01:33:57,580
digestive problems deficiencies in

2156
01:34:02,520 --> 01:34:00,010
stomach acid can affect all downstream

2157
01:34:04,560 --> 01:34:02,530
systems taking digestive enzymes can be

2158
01:34:07,080 --> 01:34:04,570
amazingly helpful for dealing with

2159
01:34:09,870 --> 01:34:07,090
deficiencies in stomach acid enzymes

2160
01:34:11,610 --> 01:34:09,880
require low pH for activation you can

2161
01:34:14,040 --> 01:34:11,620
also use aloe vera juice by the way

2162
01:34:15,890 --> 01:34:14,050
sugars in aloe vera have a coating

2163
01:34:17,790 --> 01:34:15,900
effect on the digestive system

2164
01:34:20,070 --> 01:34:17,800
youngevity has a cool product called

2165
01:34:21,870 --> 01:34:20,080
noni plus which is made from a low in

2166
01:34:23,490 --> 01:34:21,880
the noni fruit it's tasty

2167
01:34:25,650 --> 01:34:23,500
they can also function to support

2168
01:34:27,570 --> 01:34:25,660
digestive certification acidification of

2169
01:34:29,910 --> 01:34:27,580
the stomach and activation of digestive

2170
01:34:31,980 --> 01:34:29,920
enzymes take pharmacist Ben's advice and

2171
01:34:34,830 --> 01:34:31,990
support your digestive system by

2172
01:34:37,470 --> 01:34:34,840
ordering no d-plus from youngevity call

2173
01:34:40,290 --> 01:34:37,480
eight six six seven three five two four

2174
01:34:42,870 --> 01:34:40,300
seven zero that's eight six six seven

2175
01:34:45,810 --> 01:34:42,880
thirty five twenty four seventy or on

2176
01:34:50,730 --> 01:34:45,820
the web at bright side been calm

2177
01:34:52,560 --> 01:34:50,740
that's bright side been calm order today

2178
01:34:54,870 --> 01:34:52,570
hello this is John Burroughs one of the

2179
01:34:56,700 --> 01:34:54,880
witnesses to the Rendell's from a UFO

2180
01:35:06,770 --> 01:34:56,710
incident you're listening to the podcast

2181
01:35:12,320 --> 01:35:09,740
we might officially call this the para

2182
01:35:14,420 --> 01:35:12,330
cast with gene Steinberg and KK just

2183
01:35:17,060 --> 01:35:14,430
make it permanent confuse everybody out

2184
01:35:18,980 --> 01:35:17,070
there Kurt Collins and Chris Lambrecht

2185
01:35:21,980 --> 01:35:18,990
joining us we're talking about the cash

2186
01:35:24,770 --> 01:35:21,990
Landrum case guys a lot more to cover so

2187
01:35:27,280 --> 01:35:24,780
let's go for it okay we were talking

2188
01:35:30,160 --> 01:35:27,290
about April earlier well there was a

2189
01:35:32,570 --> 01:35:30,170
Basanta animosity that already existed

2190
01:35:36,970 --> 01:35:32,580
Apple started questioning the methods

2191
01:35:40,370 --> 01:35:36,980
and sources and the medical history and

2192
01:35:43,130 --> 01:35:40,380
whatever John Schuessler was doing this

2193
01:35:45,530 --> 01:35:43,140
caused him to get into a distracting

2194
01:35:48,470 --> 01:35:45,540
feud and possibly to guard that

2195
01:35:50,420 --> 01:35:48,480
information more carefully and when

2196
01:35:53,810 --> 01:35:50,430
other people like even the former

2197
01:35:55,520 --> 01:35:53,820
members visit team well I'm having

2198
01:35:58,880 --> 01:35:55,530
trouble pronouncing that doctor names

2199
01:36:01,190 --> 01:35:58,890
file that Chris mentioned earlier he had

2200
01:36:04,250 --> 01:36:01,200
joined the airforce he was denied access

2201
01:36:06,230 --> 01:36:04,260
to the records and a former partner the

2202
01:36:07,880 --> 01:36:06,240
you know feel class wanted the records

2203
01:36:11,360 --> 01:36:07,890
and it's understandable why he wasn't

2204
01:36:13,520 --> 01:36:11,370
given access to that but April was shut

2205
01:36:16,850 --> 01:36:13,530
out and and several other people were

2206
01:36:18,860 --> 01:36:16,860
and they and it was Ambrose position

2207
01:36:22,790 --> 01:36:18,870
getting back to jeans question earlier

2208
01:36:25,780 --> 01:36:22,800
that it was a test of a secret aircraft

2209
01:36:29,270 --> 01:36:25,790
and apparently the version of that story

2210
01:36:34,130 --> 01:36:29,280
may have originated or at least been

2211
01:36:36,740 --> 01:36:34,140
circulated by the instruments more later

2212
01:36:38,960 --> 01:36:36,750
he pops up in all the most curious

2213
01:36:40,970 --> 01:36:38,970
places doesn't he well it was in the

2214
01:36:44,030 --> 01:36:40,980
eighties so you know this this runs

2215
01:36:46,370 --> 01:36:44,040
smack through this you know if I can

2216
01:36:49,220 --> 01:36:46,380
interject one thing just and maybe this

2217
01:36:51,740 --> 01:36:49,230
isn't some deference to whoever got the

2218
01:36:54,350 --> 01:36:51,750
case first I went to was looking through

2219
01:36:55,910 --> 01:36:54,360
all of the old MUFON journals last night

2220
01:36:58,430 --> 01:36:55,920
and I have one sitting right in front of

2221
01:37:01,640 --> 01:36:58,440
me here the first article that I could

2222
01:37:05,720 --> 01:37:01,650
find in the MUFON Journal that mentions

2223
01:37:08,780 --> 01:37:05,730
this case was the April of 1981 was an

2224
01:37:10,190 --> 01:37:08,790
article April by Richard Hall not John

2225
01:37:12,230 --> 01:37:10,200
Schuessler John Schuessler as I think

2226
01:37:14,270 --> 01:37:12,240
came back came later in August or

2227
01:37:17,630 --> 01:37:14,280
sometime but even in this original

2228
01:37:19,400 --> 01:37:17,640
little one-page kind of a synopsis where

2229
01:37:20,479 --> 01:37:19,410
it talks about the radiant heat and

2230
01:37:22,970 --> 01:37:20,489
radiant injury

2231
01:37:26,689 --> 01:37:22,980
he says is we're watching a luminous

2232
01:37:28,970 --> 01:37:26,699
object hover low over the road ahead of

2233
01:37:30,770 --> 01:37:28,980
their car and it does indicate that by

2234
01:37:34,009 --> 01:37:30,780
this time Schuster is investigating but

2235
01:37:36,229 --> 01:37:34,019
it says a luminous fiery looking object

2236
01:37:38,779 --> 01:37:36,239
descended to treetop level and mentions

2237
01:37:41,359 --> 01:37:38,789
the beeping and specifies then from his

2238
01:37:43,910 --> 01:37:41,369
underside flames were emitted but

2239
01:37:46,100 --> 01:37:43,920
there's a tiny sketch with it that has a

2240
01:37:49,129 --> 01:37:46,110
dotted line over the tops showing saying

2241
01:37:51,020 --> 01:37:49,139
glow does not have anything indicating

2242
01:37:52,939 --> 01:37:51,030
lights across the middle but it does

2243
01:37:55,220 --> 01:37:52,949
seem to suggest that the object was

2244
01:37:57,049 --> 01:37:55,230
glowing but I was simply making the

2245
01:37:58,609 --> 01:37:57,059
point that for whatever reason Richard

2246
01:38:01,640 --> 01:37:58,619
Hall seemed to have written the first

2247
01:38:03,739 --> 01:38:01,650
short article outlining this case before

2248
01:38:05,750 --> 01:38:03,749
even John's article about the injuries

2249
01:38:07,430 --> 01:38:05,760
appeared a few months later you're

2250
01:38:09,950 --> 01:38:07,440
absolutely right about there's a reason

2251
01:38:12,020 --> 01:38:09,960
for that I'm I'm trying to make this too

2252
01:38:15,169 --> 01:38:12,030
long of a history lesson but my shoes

2253
01:38:18,399 --> 01:38:15,179
were reported made a very quick I think

2254
01:38:21,470 --> 01:38:18,409
it was by March 2nd and he first met the

2255
01:38:24,589 --> 01:38:21,480
witnesses it met Betty cashed February

2256
01:38:26,839 --> 01:38:24,599
the second the next week met Vickie

2257
01:38:29,779 --> 01:38:26,849
Landrum investigated the scene and then

2258
01:38:32,089 --> 01:38:29,789
just a few days later March 2nd did his

2259
01:38:34,250 --> 01:38:32,099
initial report and and and released all

2260
01:38:36,799 --> 01:38:34,260
summarize that and then it was a long

2261
01:38:38,600 --> 01:38:36,809
gap between the time where John

2262
01:38:43,759 --> 01:38:38,610
Schuessler himself published anything

2263
01:38:46,160 --> 01:38:43,769
but he did appear that fall and nothing

2264
01:38:48,529 --> 01:38:46,170
the second Center for UFO studies

2265
01:38:51,109 --> 01:38:48,539
symposium and he gave a presentation on

2266
01:38:54,470 --> 01:38:51,119
the case in and then it was after that

2267
01:38:57,339 --> 01:38:54,480
MUFON published an article and I think

2268
01:39:01,520 --> 01:38:57,349
was reprinted in a UFO magazine also so

2269
01:39:03,439 --> 01:39:01,530
it could be I want to give I don't think

2270
01:39:05,270 --> 01:39:03,449
anyone was deliberately attempting to

2271
01:39:06,859 --> 01:39:05,280
mislead I think that there were some

2272
01:39:10,209 --> 01:39:06,869
mistakes made in the haste in the

2273
01:39:13,279 --> 01:39:10,219
investigation and they were cemented and

2274
01:39:14,779 --> 01:39:13,289
it did money the record I mean and it

2275
01:39:16,339 --> 01:39:14,789
makes it much harder to get to the truth

2276
01:39:19,209 --> 01:39:16,349
of what actually happened when it

2277
01:39:21,979 --> 01:39:19,219
becomes you know part of the the UFO

2278
01:39:24,890 --> 01:39:21,989
legend yeah I think Kurt's opinion on

2279
01:39:26,779 --> 01:39:24,900
that side of this is is totally valid I

2280
01:39:28,790 --> 01:39:26,789
mean it's a regrettable that and then

2281
01:39:30,859 --> 01:39:28,800
get one case I think it's his advantage

2282
01:39:32,660 --> 01:39:30,869
and all of our advantage so that now all

2283
01:39:33,790 --> 01:39:32,670
these years later he's done so much

2284
01:39:35,729 --> 01:39:33,800
digging with

2285
01:39:38,649 --> 01:39:35,739
that is now available on the internet

2286
01:39:40,060 --> 01:39:38,659
and he's able to see these changes as

2287
01:39:41,799 --> 01:39:40,070
they occur and actually maybe get a

2288
01:39:44,049 --> 01:39:41,809
better idea of the big picture and how

2289
01:39:46,240 --> 01:39:44,059
it happened well that that leads us to a

2290
01:39:49,540 --> 01:39:46,250
question by one of our forum posters

2291
01:39:51,280 --> 01:39:49,550
Joey 22 who doesn't post very often but

2292
01:39:53,410 --> 01:39:51,290
he posted a question though several

2293
01:39:55,510 --> 01:39:53,420
questions for you guys do either of you

2294
01:39:57,729 --> 01:39:55,520
know of any sightings since the cash

2295
01:39:59,879 --> 01:39:57,739
Lanham case in 1980 there the

2296
01:40:03,669 --> 01:39:59,889
descriptions resemble the craft that

2297
01:40:04,450 --> 01:40:03,679
cash and Landrum saw I've got one Chris

2298
01:40:07,180 --> 01:40:04,460
how much you

2299
01:40:09,310 --> 01:40:07,190
nothing exact I mean as far as this dark

2300
01:40:10,780 --> 01:40:09,320
object with flames coming out of it the

2301
01:40:12,549 --> 01:40:10,790
flames are kind of atypical but if

2302
01:40:14,830 --> 01:40:12,559
you've got a good one go go for it

2303
01:40:17,979 --> 01:40:14,840
this is strange partly because it's the

2304
01:40:22,209 --> 01:40:17,989
location and this was in Liberty County

2305
01:40:25,350 --> 01:40:22,219
it was losses was 1983 so this was you

2306
01:40:28,060 --> 01:40:25,360
know just barely two years later a

2307
01:40:30,760 --> 01:40:28,070
deputy I'm not sure muted deputy sheriff

2308
01:40:34,510 --> 01:40:30,770
or deputy policeman he saw he was

2309
01:40:37,149 --> 01:40:34,520
investigating a car theft ring he saw a

2310
01:40:39,790 --> 01:40:37,159
diamond shaped craft that had some red

2311
01:40:43,060 --> 01:40:39,800
lights on it it was he said it was big

2312
01:40:45,040 --> 01:40:43,070
enough the size wise that if you do the

2313
01:40:47,049 --> 01:40:45,050
outline you could Park about ten cars in

2314
01:40:48,700 --> 01:40:47,059
it and it had bright something that

2315
01:40:52,510 --> 01:40:48,710
looked like bright headlights there were

2316
01:40:55,000 --> 01:40:52,520
no flames but it was diamond-shaped and

2317
01:40:57,850 --> 01:40:55,010
it was close to the area so that's that

2318
01:40:59,680 --> 01:40:57,860
may mean nothing whatsoever but you know

2319
01:41:01,419 --> 01:40:59,690
it's gotta be interesting

2320
01:41:02,890 --> 01:41:01,429
well yeah that's when he mentioned that

2321
01:41:04,569 --> 01:41:02,900
talking about other cases there and I

2322
01:41:06,580 --> 01:41:04,579
should send you these because I did find

2323
01:41:09,310 --> 01:41:06,590
in my files a couple of reports by other

2324
01:41:11,290 --> 01:41:09,320
people in the area and I believe Vickie

2325
01:41:13,689 --> 01:41:11,300
probably gave me their addresses put me

2326
01:41:15,549 --> 01:41:13,699
onto them but I will send those to you

2327
01:41:17,799 --> 01:41:15,559
but know there are people who cited

2328
01:41:20,229 --> 01:41:17,809
unusual things and maybe in one case it

2329
01:41:21,910 --> 01:41:20,239
was roughly diamond-shaped so to speak

2330
01:41:23,950 --> 01:41:21,920
but you're right not at the same time

2331
01:41:25,990 --> 01:41:23,960
and nothing that's just you know a spot

2332
01:41:28,839 --> 01:41:26,000
on match for what they what they

2333
01:41:31,060 --> 01:41:28,849
described well as far as just just to

2334
01:41:32,819 --> 01:41:31,070
get back to something similar one of the

2335
01:41:35,109 --> 01:41:32,829
things that we didn't mention was that

2336
01:41:37,569 --> 01:41:35,119
they were impression I said that they

2337
01:41:39,220 --> 01:41:37,579
didn't imagine a relationship or

2338
01:41:41,950 --> 01:41:39,230
behavior there was one behavior that

2339
01:41:43,870 --> 01:41:41,960
they described or impression they

2340
01:41:45,760 --> 01:41:43,880
thought that the craft was in distress

2341
01:41:47,620 --> 01:41:45,770
they thought it was having trouble

2342
01:41:49,660 --> 01:41:47,630
flying so

2343
01:41:52,570 --> 01:41:49,670
so that was that was one thing so it's

2344
01:41:54,370 --> 01:41:52,580
possible that those flames were not part

2345
01:41:56,470 --> 01:41:54,380
of the intended performance for the

2346
01:41:59,230 --> 01:41:56,480
craft that it was some sort of it might

2347
01:42:03,010 --> 01:41:59,240
have been winning flame or fluid

2348
01:42:05,470 --> 01:42:03,020
something like that now I would agree

2349
01:42:07,950 --> 01:42:05,480
with that actually I mean I'd say in my

2350
01:42:11,770 --> 01:42:07,960
opinion that's far more of a likelihood

2351
01:42:14,950 --> 01:42:11,780
yeah and I seem to remember from reading

2352
01:42:17,350 --> 01:42:14,960
early reports on the case that the women

2353
01:42:20,170 --> 01:42:17,360
did have a sense that the craft was in

2354
01:42:23,380 --> 01:42:20,180
trouble and that the the bobbing up and

2355
01:42:26,920 --> 01:42:23,390
down was was inadvertent at least in

2356
01:42:29,410 --> 01:42:26,930
their in their impression and that the

2357
01:42:33,100 --> 01:42:29,420
the later sighting of helicopters may

2358
01:42:34,450 --> 01:42:33,110
have some somehow been related to some

2359
01:42:37,290 --> 01:42:34,460
sort of problem that the craft was

2360
01:42:39,460 --> 01:42:37,300
having Vickie makes the point in the

2361
01:42:41,410 --> 01:42:39,470
interview that I did with her of stating

2362
01:42:43,230 --> 01:42:41,420
that the you know this thing sounded

2363
01:42:45,430 --> 01:42:43,240
like a motor that was in trouble and

2364
01:42:47,260 --> 01:42:45,440
that's kind of what I was getting at

2365
01:42:49,270 --> 01:42:47,270
earlier when I said my feeling that if

2366
01:42:50,470 --> 01:42:49,280
these were helicopters wherever they

2367
01:42:52,360 --> 01:42:50,480
came from it come from somewhere like

2368
01:42:54,370 --> 01:42:52,370
Fort Hood they had to be in the air

2369
01:42:57,310 --> 01:42:54,380
already to arrive right when these

2370
01:42:58,480 --> 01:42:57,320
ladies had seen it so maybe that adds up

2371
01:43:00,430 --> 01:42:58,490
to indicating that there was some

2372
01:43:03,130 --> 01:43:00,440
problem that was already known to be

2373
01:43:05,050 --> 01:43:03,140
occurring but then based on what you're

2374
01:43:07,510 --> 01:43:05,060
saying there will get amplification as

2375
01:43:10,270 --> 01:43:07,520
we go along this indicates more and more

2376
01:43:13,900 --> 01:43:10,280
that we know what it was and that it was

2377
01:43:16,090 --> 01:43:13,910
conventional well I mean I don't

2378
01:43:18,520 --> 01:43:16,100
currently wanted that's never really

2379
01:43:20,920 --> 01:43:18,530
been conclusively demonstrated but

2380
01:43:23,560 --> 01:43:20,930
here's another question from joy 22 have

2381
01:43:25,150 --> 01:43:23,570
there been any recent attempts to learn

2382
01:43:27,640 --> 01:43:25,160
more about the government's involvement

2383
01:43:30,070 --> 01:43:27,650
possible involvement in the case do any

2384
01:43:33,820 --> 01:43:30,080
sort of FOIA request out of the FOIA

2385
01:43:36,310 --> 01:43:33,830
request how is that gone over the years

2386
01:43:38,710 --> 01:43:36,320
with this case I did a number of them

2387
01:43:40,750 --> 01:43:38,720
back in the day but unfortunately Mike

2388
01:43:42,970 --> 01:43:40,760
my experience and my feelings about for

2389
01:43:44,320 --> 01:43:42,980
these days are you're not going to get

2390
01:43:47,290 --> 01:43:44,330
anything that they don't want to tell

2391
01:43:49,860 --> 01:43:47,300
you and in many cases it's a

2392
01:43:52,330 --> 01:43:49,870
hit-and-miss proposition and

2393
01:43:55,540 --> 01:43:52,340
unfortunately in later years it becomes

2394
01:43:56,890 --> 01:43:55,550
such a long process you rarely get to I

2395
01:43:58,330 --> 01:43:56,900
mean not five years later I'll get a

2396
01:43:59,350 --> 01:43:58,340
reply to something I may not even

2397
01:44:01,450 --> 01:43:59,360
remember what it was

2398
01:44:04,240 --> 01:44:01,460
so I don't do them myself but I think it

2399
01:44:05,800 --> 01:44:04,250
would be worth doing our quinoa was zero

2400
01:44:07,899 --> 01:44:05,810
on mine but I want to say something

2401
01:44:12,310 --> 01:44:07,909
about the records it was partly the work

2402
01:44:15,430 --> 01:44:12,320
of what Chris had done his friends Dale

2403
01:44:19,060 --> 01:44:15,440
and and Jim and in the computer UFO

2404
01:44:21,340 --> 01:44:19,070
network in preserving the the past for

2405
01:44:22,810 --> 01:44:21,350
your request and case information

2406
01:44:24,100 --> 01:44:22,820
including the legal documents I was a

2407
01:44:26,530 --> 01:44:24,110
great resource for me and that's

2408
01:44:28,060 --> 01:44:26,540
available online including the one of

2409
01:44:30,879 --> 01:44:28,070
the key pieces of evidence in the case

2410
01:44:34,030 --> 01:44:30,889
the interview that the witnesses had at

2411
01:44:37,660 --> 01:44:34,040
Bergstrom Air Force Base in nineteen

2412
01:44:41,050 --> 01:44:37,670
that was the same year 1981 August 17

2413
01:44:43,590 --> 01:44:41,060
1981 and it was the it's very

2414
01:44:46,629 --> 01:44:43,600
interesting because some of the

2415
01:44:49,930 --> 01:44:46,639
information had begun to to feedback I

2416
01:44:52,359 --> 01:44:49,940
think as the witnesses were questioned

2417
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and the investigators processed the

2418
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information I think some of the

2419
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information they accepted and may have

2420
01:45:02,470 --> 01:44:59,989
begun to say more than they actually saw

2421
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and certainly it's my feeling that the

2422
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witnesses at times described how they

2423
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felt over what was actually happening to

2424
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them you know everyone is your

2425
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experience is colored by emotion and I

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think that there's some of that in here

2427
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and that's not to say the witnesses

2428
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2490
01:48:05,580 --> 01:48:02,920
here's Jane Steinberg our final four

2491
01:48:08,130 --> 01:48:05,590
segments of this episode featuring Chris

2492
01:48:10,920 --> 01:48:08,140
Lambright and Curt Collins talking about

2493
01:48:13,620 --> 01:48:10,930
the cash Landrum case trying to unearth

2494
01:48:15,990 --> 01:48:13,630
the possibilities here and as I said in

2495
01:48:18,750 --> 01:48:16,000
the previous segment can we dismiss then

2496
01:48:20,730 --> 01:48:18,760
but this was a conventional possibly

2497
01:48:23,550 --> 01:48:20,740
attest aircraft and I'm thinking maybe

2498
01:48:25,680 --> 01:48:23,560
we were testing nuclear aircraft at the

2499
01:48:26,880 --> 01:48:25,690
time is that possible John Schuessler

2500
01:48:30,020 --> 01:48:26,890
didn't think so

2501
01:48:33,360 --> 01:48:30,030
but remember he's a big proponent of

2502
01:48:36,300 --> 01:48:33,370
UFOs and alien life he's a deputy

2503
01:48:39,360 --> 01:48:36,310
director of MUFON he had a possibly a

2504
01:48:42,480 --> 01:48:39,370
bias in that direction but he should

2505
01:48:46,730 --> 01:48:42,490
know as an engineer in an aerospace

2506
01:48:48,870 --> 01:48:46,740
field what what the United States and

2507
01:48:50,850 --> 01:48:48,880
competing nations are able to fly and

2508
01:48:53,520 --> 01:48:50,860
build he really didn't think that was a

2509
01:48:55,530 --> 01:48:53,530
possibility and even if it was there

2510
01:48:58,830 --> 01:48:55,540
would be other types of radiation needed

2511
01:49:01,290 --> 01:48:58,840
to do that that it's never improved one

2512
01:49:03,390 --> 01:49:01,300
or the other but it's it's it's just

2513
01:49:05,640 --> 01:49:03,400
such a with the presence the helicopters

2514
01:49:09,000 --> 01:49:05,650
the way things behave it's one of the

2515
01:49:11,010 --> 01:49:09,010
strongest candidate but yeah there's so

2516
01:49:12,600 --> 01:49:11,020
many unexplained things I would tend to

2517
01:49:14,610 --> 01:49:12,610
agree and and I think Curt made this

2518
01:49:17,430 --> 01:49:14,620
point early on that I think the

2519
01:49:18,870 --> 01:49:17,440
witnesses always felt that way over any

2520
01:49:20,670 --> 01:49:18,880
of the other options or other

2521
01:49:22,770 --> 01:49:20,680
possibilities I think they always felt

2522
01:49:24,690 --> 01:49:22,780
that this was probably some kind of

2523
01:49:26,960 --> 01:49:24,700
military program or project or something

2524
01:49:29,700 --> 01:49:26,970
happening as far as that's concerned

2525
01:49:31,770 --> 01:49:29,710
curiously enough I was looking at a copy

2526
01:49:34,320 --> 01:49:31,780
of a memorandum for division chief that

2527
01:49:36,060 --> 01:49:34,330
was written by the Department of the

2528
01:49:38,610 --> 01:49:36,070
army inspector general's office at the

2529
01:49:40,620 --> 01:49:38,620
time and when you mentioned FOI request

2530
01:49:42,450 --> 01:49:40,630
was brought up to me something that I

2531
01:49:44,880 --> 01:49:42,460
always thought was strangest on the last

2532
01:49:47,430 --> 01:49:44,890
page under general comments but above

2533
01:49:50,250 --> 01:49:47,440
his signature these states mrs. Landon

2534
01:49:52,920 --> 01:49:50,260
and mrs. cash were credible then it says

2535
01:49:55,410 --> 01:49:52,930
the DEA IG is probably Army Inspector

2536
01:49:58,020 --> 01:49:55,420
General investigator felt and whatever

2537
01:49:59,430 --> 01:49:58,030
he felt is blacked out the only part of

2538
01:50:01,470 --> 01:49:59,440
the entire document that's

2539
01:50:03,240 --> 01:50:01,480
why'd it out completely and it continues

2540
01:50:04,710 --> 01:50:03,250
the policeman and his wife were credible

2541
01:50:06,720 --> 01:50:04,720
witnesses and some other things down

2542
01:50:09,690 --> 01:50:06,730
below there that he that his opinion

2543
01:50:11,040 --> 01:50:09,700
nobody was misperceiving or exaggerating

2544
01:50:13,890 --> 01:50:11,050
or whatnot at the time he talked to him

2545
01:50:16,440 --> 01:50:13,900
but I always thought that's why request

2546
01:50:18,720 --> 01:50:16,450
I would like to know why the Inspector

2547
01:50:20,130 --> 01:50:18,730
General's whatever he felt seems to me

2548
01:50:22,440 --> 01:50:20,140
to be the whole point of his

2549
01:50:24,810 --> 01:50:22,450
investigation why that was blacked out

2550
01:50:26,550 --> 01:50:24,820
and curiously enough he goes and talked

2551
01:50:29,850 --> 01:50:26,560
about several of the places that he

2552
01:50:31,860 --> 01:50:29,860
talked to the National Guard talking to

2553
01:50:33,620 --> 01:50:31,870
them about their helicopters a trip was

2554
01:50:35,970 --> 01:50:33,630
made to Conroe to the local sheriff

2555
01:50:37,590 --> 01:50:35,980
national guard detachment commander and

2556
01:50:40,470 --> 01:50:37,600
I just noticed the other day of all the

2557
01:50:42,630 --> 01:50:40,480
places that he spoke with never mentions

2558
01:50:44,280 --> 01:50:42,640
Fort Hood he does say that he knows

2559
01:50:46,140 --> 01:50:44,290
there were helicopters there but he

2560
01:50:47,460 --> 01:50:46,150
apparently doesn't say what he found out

2561
01:50:50,070 --> 01:50:47,470
if and when he went to Fort Hood and

2562
01:50:51,900 --> 01:50:50,080
asked him about their helicopters Wow

2563
01:50:54,620 --> 01:50:51,910
can I can I talk some more about the

2564
01:50:59,250 --> 01:50:54,630
military possibilities sure go ahead

2565
01:51:01,740 --> 01:50:59,260
okay for it 1980 we had hostages held in

2566
01:51:05,160 --> 01:51:01,750
Iran there was there was a massive

2567
01:51:07,380 --> 01:51:05,170
secret project to rescue and there's

2568
01:51:10,610 --> 01:51:07,390
there's one a helicopter attempt that

2569
01:51:12,930 --> 01:51:10,620
failed and in the spring of 1980 and

2570
01:51:16,500 --> 01:51:12,940
there was a second mission that was

2571
01:51:18,260 --> 01:51:16,510
planned and the the mistakes and the

2572
01:51:22,350 --> 01:51:18,270
first one part of it came from having

2573
01:51:24,900 --> 01:51:22,360
unqualified personnel or wouldn't just

2574
01:51:27,510 --> 01:51:24,910
say the thing worked used to working

2575
01:51:29,400 --> 01:51:27,520
with one another so the this some of the

2576
01:51:32,190 --> 01:51:29,410
military structures we have today with

2577
01:51:34,620 --> 01:51:32,200
the Special Forces interacting from

2578
01:51:37,800 --> 01:51:34,630
different branches was created in this

2579
01:51:41,130 --> 01:51:37,810
second plan it was a it has been a code

2580
01:51:43,110 --> 01:51:41,140
name which is associated with some UFO

2581
01:51:45,210 --> 01:51:43,120
war it's called Snowbird it was also

2582
01:51:49,050 --> 01:51:45,220
known as honey badger what we were

2583
01:51:51,150 --> 01:51:49,060
trying to do was equip helicopters some

2584
01:51:54,620 --> 01:51:51,160
of which were ch-47 s with night-vision

2585
01:51:57,000 --> 01:51:54,630
equipment a boost their range capacity

2586
01:51:59,670 --> 01:51:57,010
have them interact with some smaller

2587
01:52:03,570 --> 01:51:59,680
helicopters they call them baby bells

2588
01:52:04,680 --> 01:52:03,580
and that was only part of the mission

2589
01:52:09,840 --> 01:52:04,690
there were other things going on

2590
01:52:12,959 --> 01:52:09,850
including Lockheed outfitted a c-130

2591
01:52:16,200 --> 01:52:12,969
transport plane with larger

2592
01:52:18,839 --> 01:52:16,210
winds fanned GS under the wings so that

2593
01:52:21,000 --> 01:52:18,849
it could take off in a very short space

2594
01:52:23,069 --> 01:52:21,010
where the hit plan was in a soccer

2595
01:52:24,660 --> 01:52:23,079
stadium across from where the hostages

2596
01:52:26,819 --> 01:52:24,670
were held and that was a huge

2597
01:52:29,279 --> 01:52:26,829
undertaking and that that plan was put

2598
01:52:32,100 --> 01:52:29,289
together in just a few months so there

2599
01:52:33,930 --> 01:52:32,110
were some real secret projects by the

2600
01:52:36,450 --> 01:52:33,940
way the test flights originated from

2601
01:52:39,060 --> 01:52:36,460
area 51 if you want your your alien

2602
01:52:41,339 --> 01:52:39,070
mystery connection and these flights

2603
01:52:44,189 --> 01:52:41,349
ranged from as far as California the

2604
01:52:48,989 --> 01:52:44,199
parts is Texas but not as far as we know

2605
01:52:51,359 --> 01:52:48,999
as close to Dayton but there were

2606
01:52:53,939 --> 01:52:51,369
mysterious helicopters in the air there

2607
01:52:56,069 --> 01:52:53,949
were secret projects in addition to that

2608
01:52:59,370 --> 01:52:56,079
this ain't the same time we're working

2609
01:53:01,830 --> 01:52:59,380
on the stealth bomber so there were a

2610
01:53:03,419 --> 01:53:01,840
lot of secret things and so when people

2611
01:53:05,850 --> 01:53:03,429
started coming questioning whether or

2612
01:53:09,149 --> 01:53:05,860
not this was a government secret project

2613
01:53:11,100 --> 01:53:09,159
a lot of these agencies the brains don't

2614
01:53:12,629 --> 01:53:11,110
communicate that well they might not

2615
01:53:14,310 --> 01:53:12,639
have known they might have wondered this

2616
01:53:16,620 --> 01:53:14,320
is some of the army hats I mean there

2617
01:53:20,100 --> 01:53:16,630
was just it was possible it was

2618
01:53:22,560 --> 01:53:20,110
desperate time so with with the booming

2619
01:53:26,100 --> 01:53:22,570
technology they had to wonder if it was

2620
01:53:27,779 --> 01:53:26,110
the other guy well that's typical of the

2621
01:53:30,629 --> 01:53:27,789
one hand not knowing what the other hand

2622
01:53:32,489 --> 01:53:30,639
is doing but I think the worst aspect of

2623
01:53:34,890 --> 01:53:32,499
this regardless of whether it's

2624
01:53:37,859 --> 01:53:34,900
conventional or unconventional is the

2625
01:53:40,169 --> 01:53:37,869
fact that some people were injured so

2626
01:53:41,609 --> 01:53:40,179
can you give us maybe now because we

2627
01:53:44,189 --> 01:53:41,619
have like three and a half segments left

2628
01:53:45,660 --> 01:53:44,199
for the episode let's focus on the

2629
01:53:47,580 --> 01:53:45,670
injuries and the treatment in the

2630
01:53:49,469 --> 01:53:47,590
aftermath you know we have a question

2631
01:53:51,299 --> 01:53:49,479
about that from so Larry and how is

2632
01:53:54,479 --> 01:53:51,309
Colby Landrum doing since his awful

2633
01:53:57,629 --> 01:53:54,489
exposure to this particular energy

2634
01:54:00,509 --> 01:53:57,639
source well first of all Betty cash died

2635
01:54:03,390 --> 01:54:00,519
18 years after that and she had she

2636
01:54:06,419 --> 01:54:03,400
developed cancer and I had mastectomy

2637
01:54:10,169 --> 01:54:06,429
which we cannot say were definitely

2638
01:54:12,000 --> 01:54:10,179
caused by the UFO you know people in

2639
01:54:15,540 --> 01:54:12,010
their 50s begin to develop help health

2640
01:54:16,129 --> 01:54:15,550
problems so you know we will never know

2641
01:54:19,979 --> 01:54:16,139
for sure

2642
01:54:23,459 --> 01:54:19,989
Vicki Lanham died in 2007 cheap

2643
01:54:26,729 --> 01:54:23,469
apparently did have some health problems

2644
01:54:29,669 --> 01:54:26,739
and Colby seems to have fared

2645
01:54:33,800 --> 01:54:29,679
the best he he's alive and well in

2646
01:54:37,770 --> 01:54:33,810
living in the Dayton area of Texas and

2647
01:54:40,530 --> 01:54:37,780
does not find any joy in talking about

2648
01:54:43,740 --> 01:54:40,540
his experiences he prefers not to talk

2649
01:54:46,110 --> 01:54:43,750
about it where any legal actions taken

2650
01:54:47,669 --> 01:54:46,120
as a result of these injuries certainly

2651
01:54:51,149 --> 01:54:47,679
if it was our aircraft

2652
01:54:53,220 --> 01:54:51,159
we'd be suing the government of the

2653
01:54:55,260 --> 01:54:53,230
wazoo as they say I'm sure you've heard

2654
01:54:57,990 --> 01:54:55,270
of Peter Gersten he's dead

2655
01:55:01,169 --> 01:54:58,000
he's called himself a UFO a lawyer he

2656
01:55:06,570 --> 01:55:01,179
was a kind of a flamboyant figure then

2657
01:55:08,970 --> 01:55:06,580
and now who had the citizens against UFO

2658
01:55:10,620 --> 01:55:08,980
secrecy and he was a big crusader for

2659
01:55:13,560 --> 01:55:10,630
the government to release documents and

2660
01:55:16,110 --> 01:55:13,570
he and I had quite a bit of success with

2661
01:55:19,439 --> 01:55:16,120
that he attached themselves to the case

2662
01:55:23,490 --> 01:55:19,449
filed out the paperwork when the ladies

2663
01:55:25,520 --> 01:55:23,500
visited at the suggestion when they they

2664
01:55:28,380 --> 01:55:25,530
were campaigning in their own behalf

2665
01:55:30,660 --> 01:55:28,390
they had written their senators and the

2666
01:55:34,050 --> 01:55:30,670
Senators arranged the meeting it burns

2667
01:55:35,459 --> 01:55:34,060
from Air Force Base in Texas they they

2668
01:55:38,580 --> 01:55:35,469
met with the lawyers there and they were

2669
01:55:44,160 --> 01:55:38,590
given forms to damaged forms to fill out

2670
01:55:47,370 --> 01:55:44,170
so Peter Gerson filed those forms and

2671
01:55:53,250 --> 01:55:47,380
the claim was denied and as things went

2672
01:55:55,580 --> 01:55:53,260
on it it went from from a claim of

2673
01:55:58,620 --> 01:55:55,590
injury against the Air Force

2674
01:56:00,870 --> 01:55:58,630
it was resubmitted or morphed into

2675
01:56:06,630 --> 01:56:00,880
something else a civil suit against the

2676
01:56:09,810 --> 01:56:06,640
United States and the it was sort of a

2677
01:56:11,729 --> 01:56:09,820
strange argument it said or show us show

2678
01:56:14,910 --> 01:56:11,739
us the craft that you had that did this

2679
01:56:17,520 --> 01:56:14,920
or admit that this was a UFO that you

2680
01:56:20,880 --> 01:56:17,530
can't control and there was an argument

2681
01:56:22,410 --> 01:56:20,890
to the government it couldn't win even

2682
01:56:26,939 --> 01:56:22,420
if they could admit to either side of

2683
01:56:29,479 --> 01:56:26,949
that argument they that doesn't make

2684
01:56:32,160 --> 01:56:29,489
much sense from a legal point of view to

2685
01:56:34,979 --> 01:56:32,170
couch your claim with those sorts of

2686
01:56:39,000 --> 01:56:34,989
conditions that's that's pretty bizarre

2687
01:56:40,380 --> 01:56:39,010
actually the government it's not known

2688
01:56:42,030 --> 01:56:40,390
really what sort of event

2689
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education they did in their defense but

2690
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they did they gathered reports from

2691
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representatives of military branches and

2692
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from NASA and they said well we don't

2693
01:56:58,380 --> 01:56:55,290
have a big diamond shaped craft that's

2694
01:57:00,600 --> 01:56:58,390
that matches this description and they

2695
01:57:03,240 --> 01:57:00,610
sort of sidestepped the issue about the

2696
01:57:05,960 --> 01:57:03,250
helicopters but but it was it was the

2697
01:57:08,640 --> 01:57:05,970
argument of a lawyer that then either

2698
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the government was responsible in some

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way either from having a craft that then

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injured him or for failing to protect

2701
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the witnesses from this intruder will

2702
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have to find out more about that

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intruder and what it dator didn't do we

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have Chris Lambright Curt Collins

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joining KK and Jean you're in the para

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have you ever felt like the United

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States government knows way too much

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about your financial affairs I continue

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to hear stories about property seizures

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frozen bank accounts confiscation of

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stocks and bonds it makes me wonder if

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the US citizen will ever again have the

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right to life liberty and the pursuit of

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happiness unfortunately with the drug

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Ruling 60-45 of 1984 and the trading

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have any intention of trading with Midas

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order free of charge with the purchase

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offering a set of fluoride and arsenic

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Keep Calm today George Washington said

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government is not reason it is not

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eloquence it is force like fire it is a

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dangerous servant and a fearful master

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servant of the people and the protector

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of our Liberty but has become that

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fearful master we the people must

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02:00:59,010 --> 02:00:56,950
understand the nature of this government

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gone awry if we are to be successful in

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saving our country

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America is being deliberately destroyed

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by a cabal of international gangsters so

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that she can be forced in the

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subjugation to a one-world government

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the god-given unalienable rights of the

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Declaration of Independence are in

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jeopardy give a snap let them be stolen

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you if you have a comment or question

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about the para cast sent it to News at

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forum dot the para cast comm with KK and

2802
02:02:08,910 --> 02:02:05,950
Jean Chris Lambright and Kerry Collins

2803
02:02:11,070 --> 02:02:08,920
joining us we're talking about the

2804
02:02:13,550 --> 02:02:11,080
saddest part of the cash Landrum case

2805
02:02:16,650 --> 02:02:13,560
which is the fact that three witnesses

2806
02:02:18,720 --> 02:02:16,660
suffered injuries and also pretty

2807
02:02:22,410 --> 02:02:18,730
curious about how the government would

2808
02:02:24,959 --> 02:02:22,420
respond to a lawsuit about this very

2809
02:02:27,959 --> 02:02:24,969
strange the lawsuit was met with great

2810
02:02:30,479 --> 02:02:27,969
resistance it seems like they took the

2811
02:02:35,160 --> 02:02:30,489
complaint seriously but never made any

2812
02:02:35,729 --> 02:02:35,170
admission on the UFO and of course Peter

2813
02:02:39,180 --> 02:02:35,739
Gersten

2814
02:02:41,940 --> 02:02:39,190
said well since it refused to when since

2815
02:02:44,459 --> 02:02:41,950
they were refused to admit and yet do

2816
02:02:47,580 --> 02:02:44,469
not deny that the event happened that

2817
02:02:52,979 --> 02:02:47,590
that is in itself an admission there was

2818
02:02:55,560 --> 02:02:52,989
a UFO so I wonder sometimes and and this

2819
02:02:58,350 --> 02:02:55,570
is just my questioning nature if this

2820
02:02:59,760 --> 02:02:58,360
wasn't a side campaign of his to force

2821
02:03:01,739 --> 02:02:59,770
the government to release more

2822
02:03:05,159 --> 02:03:01,749
information about UFOs

2823
02:03:06,719 --> 02:03:05,169
and he's written words that it even

2824
02:03:08,549 --> 02:03:06,729
appeared in that it didn't find a

2825
02:03:11,099 --> 02:03:08,559
journal where he thought that the the

2826
02:03:14,129 --> 02:03:11,109
chance when in the case were between

2827
02:03:16,319 --> 02:03:14,139
smiling nine so there was some other

2828
02:03:19,049 --> 02:03:16,329
agenda and I think I think though that

2829
02:03:22,649 --> 02:03:19,059
he did intend to put pressure on the

2830
02:03:24,689 --> 02:03:22,659
government and maybe force a settlement

2831
02:03:27,089 --> 02:03:24,699
but I don't think he ever thought he

2832
02:03:28,409 --> 02:03:27,099
could really win it in trial I don't

2833
02:03:31,709 --> 02:03:28,419
think there was enough evidence to do

2834
02:03:32,789 --> 02:03:31,719
that was he seeking financial damages

2835
02:03:35,579 --> 02:03:32,799
treatment

2836
02:03:38,009 --> 02:03:35,589
what was he seeking ten million dollars

2837
02:03:40,469 --> 02:03:38,019
for Betty cash and five thousand each

2838
02:03:43,109 --> 02:03:40,479
for Betty Ann Colby so it was it was

2839
02:03:46,169 --> 02:03:43,119
financial what sounds fairly modest is

2840
02:03:48,299 --> 02:03:46,179
lawsuits ago these days well inflation

2841
02:03:50,159 --> 02:03:48,309
is there a decision on the part of the

2842
02:03:53,459 --> 02:03:50,169
doctors who examine these people what

2843
02:03:56,129 --> 02:03:53,469
they thought caused so-called radiation

2844
02:03:58,699 --> 02:03:56,139
poisoning the doctors the initial

2845
02:04:00,929 --> 02:03:58,709
doctors had examined them did not

2846
02:04:04,409 --> 02:04:00,939
conclusively state radiation poisoning

2847
02:04:06,869 --> 02:04:04,419
there was a king Colby and Vicki were

2848
02:04:10,469 --> 02:04:06,879
not it they did not receive hospital

2849
02:04:12,449 --> 02:04:10,479
treatment the hospital but and that's

2850
02:04:14,849 --> 02:04:12,459
incredible did a show on it in in

2851
02:04:17,729 --> 02:04:14,859
nineteen eighty-one they had all three

2852
02:04:19,799 --> 02:04:17,739
of them checked out at Houston Medical

2853
02:04:21,839 --> 02:04:19,809
Center and but there again they weren't

2854
02:04:23,789 --> 02:04:21,849
able to say conclusively it was a

2855
02:04:25,969 --> 02:04:23,799
radiation so that was it was mainly

2856
02:04:28,739 --> 02:04:25,979
doctor rank who did not personally

2857
02:04:31,979 --> 02:04:28,749
examine the witnesses only their records

2858
02:04:34,259 --> 02:04:31,989
and photographs and but when when Betty

2859
02:04:37,709 --> 02:04:34,269
Cashman she moved almost immediately

2860
02:04:39,479 --> 02:04:37,719
after an incident to Alabama because she

2861
02:04:41,999 --> 02:04:39,489
was unable to work and her health was so

2862
02:04:43,829 --> 02:04:42,009
bad she lived with her mother and and

2863
02:04:47,459 --> 02:04:43,839
there she eventually I think it was in

2864
02:04:50,279 --> 02:04:47,469
1983 dr. Bryan McClellan who was not a

2865
02:04:53,489 --> 02:04:50,289
radiologist but a family medicine and

2866
02:04:56,249 --> 02:04:53,499
geriatrics doctor he's the only doctor

2867
02:04:59,329 --> 02:04:56,259
to my knowledge that has unequivocally

2868
02:05:01,919 --> 02:04:59,339
stated she suffered from radiation and

2869
02:05:05,069 --> 02:05:01,929
I'll mention again that is not his

2870
02:05:08,129 --> 02:05:05,079
specialty but you know a doctor has said

2871
02:05:10,099 --> 02:05:08,139
that she suffered radiation burns were

2872
02:05:13,019 --> 02:05:10,109
there any other conclusions from doctors

2873
02:05:15,479 --> 02:05:13,029
as to where might be if not radiation

2874
02:05:19,799 --> 02:05:15,489
burns alopecia areata

2875
02:05:21,720 --> 02:05:19,809
for the hair loss I'm not sure with that

2876
02:05:24,319 --> 02:05:21,730
there was a lot of medical language in

2877
02:05:27,180 --> 02:05:24,329
John Schuessler book he has he has

2878
02:05:30,450 --> 02:05:27,190
besides some quotes from from the

2879
02:05:32,660 --> 02:05:30,460
doctors and strangely enough none of the

2880
02:05:35,459 --> 02:05:32,670
doctors actually used the word burns

2881
02:05:38,669 --> 02:05:35,469
themselves and there's not a diagnosis

2882
02:05:40,379 --> 02:05:38,679
of radiation but there were injuries

2883
02:05:42,000 --> 02:05:40,389
there was a UFO sighting they're

2884
02:05:44,040 --> 02:05:42,010
connected in some way and whether or not

2885
02:05:47,549 --> 02:05:44,050
it was actually radiation that caused it

2886
02:05:49,620 --> 02:05:47,559
is in my mind not the key issue it

2887
02:05:51,899 --> 02:05:49,630
happened they were heard and there's a

2888
02:05:56,129 --> 02:05:51,909
huge mystery as to the source of the UFO

2889
02:05:59,430 --> 02:05:56,139
and the helicopters and there seems to

2890
02:06:02,549 --> 02:05:59,440
be a cover-up and in some ways and it's

2891
02:06:04,529 --> 02:06:02,559
imitates the the whole case is puzzling

2892
02:06:07,799 --> 02:06:04,539
including the way it was investigated

2893
02:06:11,339 --> 02:06:07,809
this Kris is one of the few people who

2894
02:06:14,700 --> 02:06:11,349
ever interviewed Vickie Landrum and

2895
02:06:16,649 --> 02:06:14,710
Betty cash besides the primary a team

2896
02:06:19,200 --> 02:06:16,659
led by John Shuster it was almost as if

2897
02:06:22,529 --> 02:06:19,210
he had a an ownership of the case and

2898
02:06:24,299 --> 02:06:22,539
protected the information which it could

2899
02:06:26,939 --> 02:06:24,309
be what if they made mistakes what if

2900
02:06:28,919 --> 02:06:26,949
there were leads that they forgot those

2901
02:06:30,629 --> 02:06:28,929
records aren't open so that we can't

2902
02:06:33,359 --> 02:06:30,639
don't know if there's some some cold

2903
02:06:35,729 --> 02:06:33,369
clues that that might lead to solving

2904
02:06:38,100 --> 02:06:35,739
this and finally not what what they saw

2905
02:06:42,180 --> 02:06:38,110
and possibly what they were exposed to

2906
02:06:44,220 --> 02:06:42,190
use you said it brother well let me ask

2907
02:06:45,330 --> 02:06:44,230
you Chris and I'll pose the same

2908
02:06:47,910 --> 02:06:45,340
questions Curt

2909
02:06:50,399 --> 02:06:47,920
Chris in your investigation of the cash

2910
02:06:53,669 --> 02:06:50,409
Landrum case did you find information

2911
02:06:57,120 --> 02:06:53,679
facts stuff that's just not part of all

2912
02:06:58,770 --> 02:06:57,130
those original reports um there were

2913
02:07:01,379 --> 02:06:58,780
certain things that came out and later

2914
02:07:02,399 --> 02:07:01,389
were I guess you'd say became more

2915
02:07:05,370 --> 02:07:02,409
prominent later

2916
02:07:06,989 --> 02:07:05,380
you mentioned radiation and I think it

2917
02:07:09,299 --> 02:07:06,999
Kurt makes a heck of an interesting

2918
02:07:12,750 --> 02:07:09,309
point that none of the doctors seem to

2919
02:07:14,399 --> 02:07:12,760
say radiation although I don't know if

2920
02:07:15,660 --> 02:07:14,409
unless they went out and chopped up the

2921
02:07:17,279 --> 02:07:15,670
road in the middle of the little strip

2922
02:07:19,259 --> 02:07:17,289
out in the middle of nowhere for nothing

2923
02:07:20,910 --> 02:07:19,269
it seems to me to be some rationale for

2924
02:07:22,979 --> 02:07:20,920
removing it and putting concrete on it

2925
02:07:25,290 --> 02:07:22,989
but what type of radiation as he

2926
02:07:26,939 --> 02:07:25,300
indicated is probably at this point less

2927
02:07:29,130 --> 02:07:26,949
vital to determine so much as

2928
02:07:31,410 --> 02:07:29,140
substantiating everything else

2929
02:07:33,810 --> 02:07:31,420
I let Curt not most of the time because

2930
02:07:36,960 --> 02:07:33,820
in our exchange he probably knows that

2931
02:07:38,940 --> 02:07:36,970
of course back in the day everything was

2932
02:07:41,040 --> 02:07:38,950
done by letters and phone calls and

2933
02:07:42,570 --> 02:07:41,050
access to information was much more

2934
02:07:45,840 --> 02:07:42,580
difficult and he's absolutely correct

2935
02:07:47,130 --> 02:07:45,850
that you can even see in the tape some

2936
02:07:49,500 --> 02:07:47,140
of the things when I'm trying to ask him

2937
02:07:51,330 --> 02:07:49,510
Vicky about certain things and she kind

2938
02:07:53,970 --> 02:07:51,340
of smiles and looks away and you realize

2939
02:07:56,040 --> 02:07:53,980
this is information that she's either

2940
02:07:57,540 --> 02:07:56,050
maintaining or in one case she said well

2941
02:07:59,280 --> 02:07:57,550
John's been so nice she doesn't want to

2942
02:08:01,200 --> 02:07:59,290
step on his toes and there were certain

2943
02:08:04,260 --> 02:08:01,210
things that John didn't want to let me

2944
02:08:06,210 --> 02:08:04,270
use because who knows why you know some

2945
02:08:08,280 --> 02:08:06,220
photographs that at the time I had it

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02:08:09,960 --> 02:08:08,290
all started when I thought I did at some

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of the videotape and put it out there

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for people to see well but like he like

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Kurt seemed to say there was the

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question of what John's working on it so

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02:08:20,990 --> 02:08:18,640
much they didn't want to sign off on

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02:08:23,880 --> 02:08:21,000
things so a lot of this information is

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basically gone I mean and who knows

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02:08:27,300 --> 02:08:25,270
where it is and if it ends up in

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02:08:28,710 --> 02:08:27,310
somebody's storage box or it's never

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02:08:31,050 --> 02:08:28,720
given out there of course that happened

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02:08:33,780 --> 02:08:31,060
with all the Apple files that somehow

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02:08:36,510 --> 02:08:33,790
somebody got them but other than the

2959
02:08:38,990 --> 02:08:36,520
information I guess my aggravation with

2960
02:08:42,120 --> 02:08:39,000
it is exactly what Kurt points out

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02:08:44,420 --> 02:08:42,130
fundamental errors that are made early

2962
02:08:46,710 --> 02:08:44,430
on the object description certain

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02:08:51,240 --> 02:08:46,720
assumptions that the investigators may

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say or who when I went in 1985 I was

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02:08:55,650 --> 02:08:53,410
ready to core our whole in the middle of

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02:08:57,030 --> 02:08:55,660
the road and then you find out it's all

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02:08:59,100 --> 02:08:57,040
been chopped up hauled away and

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02:09:01,650 --> 02:08:59,110
concreted on there but your question of

2969
02:09:03,420 --> 02:09:01,660
why didn't somebody climb it to get that

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02:09:05,070 --> 02:09:03,430
kind of if the object lifted off the

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roadway moved over the trees and it was

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130 feet from the witnesses and enough

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to radiate them whatever kind of

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radiation it was and enough for someone

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to chop the roads up why didn't somebody

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take some infrared photos of the

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02:09:18,420 --> 02:09:16,180
treetops afterwards or crawl up in the

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trees and clip off some limbs but in the

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short john heard about it by february

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02:09:24,000 --> 02:09:21,820
and i I don't know how long these things

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might last from you know for two-month

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02:09:29,160 --> 02:09:26,830
period but some things could have and

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should have been done that that just I

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mean it's gone now and that's just very

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frustrating if you can't even get the

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description right and in many cases

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Betty cash on the phone when I was

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telling her asking her again about the

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description because I talked her on the

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phone about a day and a half or so after

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I'd gone down to

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talk to Vicki the first time and was

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trying to clarify these points about the

2994
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description of the object and telling

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her well John has an article that he did

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and she cut right in and says yeah I

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have every one of his articles and I'm

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thinking but wait but here's this

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picture that he's got a company is

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article that has clearly a description

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that's not at all what they're

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describing and I wondered is she not

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seeing the same pictures that everybody

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else to see so I don't know I don't know

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well getting to more of what might not

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Friedman you are listening to the pair

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against the gold standard paranormal

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radio Kay Kay Barnes Jean Steinberg then

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asked me who KK is he is some guy who

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possessed Chris O'Brien Chris Lambright

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joining us with Craig Collins and what I

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asked before is what have you guys

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02:15:18,630 --> 02:15:16,480
learned that Watson reported as far as

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the original investigation it looks like

3121
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John Schuessler kind of kept things to

3122
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himself but was he just careless about

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keeping his files as information this

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was his baby okay so what's going on

3125
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here well I have a question before you

3126
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answer that here's a medical question

3127
02:15:40,050 --> 02:15:38,680
Chris Lambright and I have been quite

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good friends with Ray Stanford for a

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number of years and one thing that Ray

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kind of I think mentioned early on and

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in his exposure to to potential adverse

3132
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physical effects from objects is the

3133
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development of bows lines and the

3134
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fingernails of people that have been in

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close proximity to some sort of energy

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02:16:03,210 --> 02:16:00,280
field that apparently surrounds these

3137
02:16:06,600 --> 02:16:03,220
objects do guys either of you know if

3138
02:16:08,370 --> 02:16:06,610
anyone detected concurrent bows lines

3139
02:16:09,030 --> 02:16:08,380
and any other witnesses on the

3140
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fingernails

3141
02:16:12,810 --> 02:16:10,900
unless Curt has it in some of the

3142
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information that he's come up with once

3143
02:16:15,460 --> 02:16:14,860
again those kind of detailed records of

3144
02:16:18,280 --> 02:16:15,470
their health

3145
02:16:20,650 --> 02:16:18,290
conditions I've never seen them there

3146
02:16:22,750 --> 02:16:20,660
there is something and now I'm not sure

3147
02:16:25,510 --> 02:16:22,760
of the terminology but there were lines

3148
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in the fingernails of Vicky's left hand

3149
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which supposedly she rested on the roof

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02:16:31,510 --> 02:16:28,400
of the car

3151
02:16:33,190 --> 02:16:31,520
now and why one hand would be affected

3152
02:16:35,770 --> 02:16:33,200
not the other maybe there was something

3153
02:16:38,560 --> 02:16:35,780
in the deal but the body of the car but

3154
02:16:40,330 --> 02:16:38,570
she and that was one of the things that

3155
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they said was consistent with radiation

3156
02:16:45,100 --> 02:16:42,560
poisoning but yes that that's my point

3157
02:16:47,830 --> 02:16:45,110
why one hand only that's what was very

3158
02:16:50,590 --> 02:16:47,840
strange but supposedly she looked she

3159
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later lost his fingernails and she

3160
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actually lost her fingernails while in

3161
02:16:57,940 --> 02:16:55,130
the Bergstrom inch interview she says

3162
02:17:00,550 --> 02:16:57,950
that she she saved them for analysis by

3163
02:17:01,900 --> 02:17:00,560
a scientist and had tagged them so that

3164
02:17:04,270 --> 02:17:01,910
they would know which finger they came

3165
02:17:07,960 --> 02:17:04,280
from now we don't have records of what

3166
02:17:10,150 --> 02:17:07,970
that analysis - shown and oh I can't

3167
02:17:12,880 --> 02:17:10,160
I've got to tell you this how I hope you

3168
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guys can analyze the significance to

3169
02:17:16,840 --> 02:17:15,320
this but I think when you're looking at

3170
02:17:19,780 --> 02:17:16,850
a UFO case one of the things you've got

3171
02:17:22,240 --> 02:17:19,790
to do is eliminate astronomical bodies

3172
02:17:25,780 --> 02:17:22,250
like Venus yeah I think we agree about

3173
02:17:27,910 --> 02:17:25,790
that right right so Venus doesn't hover

3174
02:17:31,060 --> 02:17:27,920
over a road shooting flames out with a

3175
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dull roar I don't care what fill class

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says Jim Oberg you know this McGehee

3177
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character or bill nye the science dude I

3178
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don't care what they say this is not

3179
02:17:47,590 --> 02:17:45,290
Venus but you but you're right or you do

3180
02:17:49,390 --> 02:17:47,600
you do you've got a rule out the county

3181
02:17:52,150 --> 02:17:49,400
on it yeah one of the first things I do

3182
02:17:54,160 --> 02:17:52,160
is bring out my my planisphere and my

3183
02:17:56,710 --> 02:17:54,170
star charts and and and start going over

3184
02:17:59,320 --> 02:17:56,720
bring them out tonight Chris I want you

3185
02:18:02,230 --> 02:17:59,330
to look up December 29 1980 John

3186
02:18:05,110 --> 02:18:02,240
Schuessler and numerous occasions cites

3187
02:18:07,030 --> 02:18:05,120
the moon as part of the contributing

3188
02:18:12,250 --> 02:18:07,040
factor for the illumination of the

3189
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helicopters on my my planets field hold

3190
02:18:17,110 --> 02:18:13,910
on I'll go check where you guys carry on

3191
02:18:19,210 --> 02:18:17,120
hold on okay the point is the moon was

3192
02:18:22,210 --> 02:18:19,220
in the third quarter which means the

3193
02:18:24,330 --> 02:18:22,220
moon rises after midnight in the third

3194
02:18:27,100 --> 02:18:24,340
quarter there was no moon in the sky

3195
02:18:29,400 --> 02:18:27,110
John Schuessler is one of the one of the

3196
02:18:33,520 --> 02:18:29,410
best he's made of funding there

3197
02:18:35,470 --> 02:18:33,530
astronomical error he lead investigator

3198
02:18:39,010 --> 02:18:35,480
and that's not bad to me I don't know

3199
02:18:40,600 --> 02:18:39,020
what I feel classic but stumbled on that

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02:18:43,090 --> 02:18:40,610
fact I think he would have made some hay

3201
02:18:45,160 --> 02:18:43,100
of it you know that's a that's a heck of

3202
02:18:46,600 --> 02:18:45,170
a thing to find out because I even told

3203
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you when I was doing the illustration

3204
02:18:51,070 --> 02:18:49,341
that I had heard a read that it had

3205
02:18:52,870 --> 02:18:51,080
rained or drizzled a little earlier in

3206
02:18:54,430 --> 02:18:52,880
the evening but I wasn't sure whether

3207
02:18:57,100 --> 02:18:54,440
the clouds had covered the sky or not

3208
02:18:58,780 --> 02:18:57,110
and I had to lighten the sky just to be

3209
02:19:01,150 --> 02:18:58,790
able to show the outline of the upper

3210
02:19:03,610 --> 02:19:01,160
part of the object there was no moon and

3211
02:19:05,170 --> 02:19:03,620
nothing else brightening that goes

3212
02:19:07,210 --> 02:19:05,180
that's a good distance away from Houston

3213
02:19:09,791 --> 02:19:07,220
the place would have been exceedingly

3214
02:19:11,920 --> 02:19:09,801
dark yeah especially with all the big

3215
02:19:14,740 --> 02:19:11,930
pine trees around you know planet fairs

3216
02:19:16,570 --> 02:19:14,750
don't have a moon phase correlation on

3217
02:19:18,970 --> 02:19:16,580
them but but my ephemeris does and I

3218
02:19:20,110 --> 02:19:18,980
don't have it at my fingertips so but if

3219
02:19:22,331 --> 02:19:20,120
you're saying it was in the third

3220
02:19:24,340 --> 02:19:22,341
quarter that doesn't sound like enough

3221
02:19:27,730 --> 02:19:24,350
illumination and in the timings totally

3222
02:19:29,680 --> 02:19:27,740
wrong exactly so it's just it's just uh

3223
02:19:31,240 --> 02:19:29,690
it's just a basic mistake and it should

3224
02:19:33,400 --> 02:19:31,250
never crept during a report like this

3225
02:19:35,291 --> 02:19:33,410
forward the case that there was this

3226
02:19:37,810 --> 02:19:35,301
important and and this is not the only

3227
02:19:40,690 --> 02:19:37,820
thing I mean I mean it made a list it of

3228
02:19:42,581 --> 02:19:40,700
the top ten things and but I had this

3229
02:19:45,490 --> 02:19:42,591
team that I considered blunders in the

3230
02:19:49,211 --> 02:19:45,500
case and it's it's the fact it that and

3231
02:19:52,030 --> 02:19:49,221
it's not unique to the cache random case

3232
02:19:54,581 --> 02:19:52,040
or the moon finaland when when a pro had

3233
02:19:57,940 --> 02:19:54,591
the Travis Walton case I think they were

3234
02:19:58,900 --> 02:19:57,950
they attempted the ownership of it and

3235
02:20:02,530 --> 02:19:58,910
you know there are other UFO

3236
02:20:04,660 --> 02:20:02,540
investigators that say the Marlene Woods

3237
02:20:06,791 --> 02:20:04,670
case or you know they stake this

3238
02:20:08,650 --> 02:20:06,801
territory and they don't want to share

3239
02:20:12,490 --> 02:20:08,660
the information maybe because you know

3240
02:20:14,110 --> 02:20:12,500
UFO incidents are precious and spread

3241
02:20:15,430 --> 02:20:14,120
out over the world that they find

3242
02:20:18,160 --> 02:20:15,440
something close to them they want to

3243
02:20:20,950 --> 02:20:18,170
protect it but it does bring some

3244
02:20:23,440 --> 02:20:20,960
questions about the material the

3245
02:20:25,780 --> 02:20:23,450
processing and the information and it

3246
02:20:28,211 --> 02:20:25,790
makes them liable to cherry-picking the

3247
02:20:31,690 --> 02:20:28,221
information yeah and and for John

3248
02:20:33,400 --> 02:20:31,700
Schuessler to have some glaring sort of

3249
02:20:35,591 --> 02:20:33,410
missteps in this is a little

3250
02:20:38,020 --> 02:20:35,601
disconcerting because of course John

3251
02:20:38,860 --> 02:20:38,030
Shuster became the you know the heir

3252
02:20:40,780 --> 02:20:38,870
apparent

3253
02:20:42,190 --> 02:20:40,790
and it was a director of MUFON for a

3254
02:20:42,730 --> 02:20:42,200
number of years after while they

3255
02:20:44,080 --> 02:20:42,740
understand

3256
02:20:46,631 --> 02:20:44,090
down so you would think that the head of

3257
02:20:49,060 --> 02:20:46,641
your organization who's a rocket

3258
02:20:51,640 --> 02:20:49,070
scientist I think he was in charge of

3259
02:20:53,680 --> 02:20:51,650
training astronauts in like negative G

3260
02:20:55,810 --> 02:20:53,690
environments and pools and that sort of

3261
02:20:58,511 --> 02:20:55,820
thing if I remember correctly uh you

3262
02:21:01,511 --> 02:20:58,521
know that that does kind of raise a fuel

3263
02:21:03,820 --> 02:21:01,521
kind of tweaks my klaxon a little bit

3264
02:21:05,980 --> 02:21:03,830
and some alarm bells are going off here

3265
02:21:08,230 --> 02:21:05,990
maybe that was by design maybe there was

3266
02:21:10,930 --> 02:21:08,240
some sort of directive sent down saying

3267
02:21:13,690 --> 02:21:10,940
hey make sure that nobody really gets to

3268
02:21:15,910 --> 02:21:13,700
the bottom of this and make sure that

3269
02:21:17,560 --> 02:21:15,920
the witnesses don't talk to people you

3270
02:21:19,810 --> 02:21:17,570
know obviously like I said I've known

3271
02:21:21,430 --> 02:21:19,820
John for years but but he does play

3272
02:21:23,051 --> 02:21:21,440
things very close to the vest on at

3273
02:21:25,150 --> 02:21:23,061
times and and I'm just wondering maybe

3274
02:21:27,580 --> 02:21:25,160
if there was an agenda there you guys I

3275
02:21:30,060 --> 02:21:27,590
mean obviously you can't demonstrate

3276
02:21:32,410 --> 02:21:30,070
that except to point out obvious

3277
02:21:33,551 --> 02:21:32,420
blunders but would you guys suspect that

3278
02:21:35,680 --> 02:21:33,561
maybe there was a little bit of a

3279
02:21:38,410 --> 02:21:35,690
cover-up going on don't get me started

3280
02:21:39,850 --> 02:21:38,420
all that Curt answer this one right

3281
02:21:41,860 --> 02:21:39,860
after the fall bit of Education after

3282
02:21:44,320 --> 02:21:41,870
having been at this a long time yeah

3283
02:21:48,341 --> 02:21:44,330
because I see things that I begin to

3284
02:21:50,921 --> 02:21:48,351
think if this is that important I can't

3285
02:21:52,060 --> 02:21:50,931
imagine especially cases like this well

3286
02:21:53,591 --> 02:21:52,070
you know Paul bennewitz was the one

3287
02:21:55,301 --> 02:21:53,601
where I cut my teeth on but this kind of

3288
02:21:56,711 --> 02:21:55,311
case in others you can't imagine it

3289
02:21:59,320 --> 02:21:56,721
being left to chance

3290
02:22:01,631 --> 02:21:59,330
somehow both sides would be managing or

3291
02:22:03,520 --> 02:22:01,641
there'd be some control of it but I have

3292
02:22:04,810 --> 02:22:03,530
my own issue with well I'll just say as

3293
02:22:08,190 --> 02:22:04,820
far as new fun and some of the other

3294
02:22:11,051 --> 02:22:08,200
cases go we need some kind of a an

3295
02:22:13,000 --> 02:22:11,061
open-source reporting database where

3296
02:22:14,530 --> 02:22:13,010
cases go in and everybody can see that

3297
02:22:17,830 --> 02:22:14,540
it's there so there's nothing that can

3298
02:22:19,660 --> 02:22:17,840
be isolated and nothing is owned and you

3299
02:22:21,461 --> 02:22:19,670
can't even get in touch with a witness

3300
02:22:23,200 --> 02:22:21,471
because somebody else is the only one

3301
02:22:24,730 --> 02:22:23,210
with their email address or the only one

3302
02:22:26,261 --> 02:22:24,740
who knows how to reach them in it it

3303
02:22:28,961 --> 02:22:26,271
ends up we end up in the situation like

3304
02:22:30,940 --> 02:22:28,971
this 20 30 years later left with so many

3305
02:22:32,950 --> 02:22:30,950
questions and obvious blunders and

3306
02:22:34,390 --> 02:22:32,960
things that should never have been let

3307
02:22:36,011 --> 02:22:34,400
go when everything we know when the

3308
02:22:38,410 --> 02:22:36,021
trail was still hot right and then you

3309
02:22:40,930 --> 02:22:38,420
also have people like Robert Bigelow who

3310
02:22:42,610 --> 02:22:40,940
slap NDA's non-disclosure agreements on

3311
02:22:45,011 --> 02:22:42,620
anyone that has anything to do with

3312
02:22:46,810 --> 02:22:45,021
something that he's involved with you

3313
02:22:49,720 --> 02:22:46,820
have the proprietary sort of private

3314
02:22:51,700 --> 02:22:49,730
hoarding of data and knowledge this has

3315
02:22:53,470 --> 02:22:51,710
always been a problem and will always be

3316
02:22:54,429 --> 02:22:53,480
a problem in the field and that's

3317
02:22:56,109 --> 02:22:54,439
compounded of

3318
02:22:59,349 --> 02:22:56,119
by that by the governments and transient

3319
02:23:02,080 --> 02:22:59,359
and transients and and secrecy and don't

3320
02:23:04,479 --> 02:23:02,090
get me started on all that sort of thing

3321
02:23:06,309 --> 02:23:04,489
we can have a Greg Euler old time we can

3322
02:23:09,309 --> 02:23:06,319
bring out the trickster personality from

3323
02:23:11,949 --> 02:23:09,319
kk k-- and he can just go to town on

3324
02:23:14,080 --> 02:23:11,959
that but yes it is unfortunate Chris are

3325
02:23:15,760 --> 02:23:14,090
there any more questions in the till or

3326
02:23:18,760 --> 02:23:15,770
if we covered it well you know there are

3327
02:23:20,769 --> 02:23:18,770
this one is from Bedell and he's he's

3328
02:23:23,920 --> 02:23:20,779
been opposed to here just for about a

3329
02:23:26,559 --> 02:23:23,930
month here and he's already posted quite

3330
02:23:29,139 --> 02:23:26,569
a quite a number of posts on forum dr.

3331
02:23:31,840 --> 02:23:29,149
Perik as calm but has there been a

3332
02:23:34,210 --> 02:23:31,850
documented report to correlate their

3333
02:23:37,210 --> 02:23:34,220
radiation sickness symptoms with known

3334
02:23:38,590 --> 02:23:37,220
types of radiation fields and he points

3335
02:23:41,130 --> 02:23:38,600
out that there are differences between

3336
02:23:43,660 --> 02:23:41,140
ionizing and non-ionizing radiation

3337
02:23:47,410 --> 02:23:43,670
acute versus chronic exposures and all

3338
02:23:49,210 --> 02:23:47,420
the combinations they're in and he says

3339
02:23:52,239 --> 02:23:49,220
I would think symptoms should be

3340
02:23:55,179 --> 02:23:52,249
qualitatively linked to a Norn known

3341
02:23:58,660 --> 02:23:55,189
source type do these symptoms that the

3342
02:24:02,370 --> 02:23:58,670
that Betty had especially and and Vickie

3343
02:24:06,219 --> 02:24:02,380
and Colby do they correlate with any

3344
02:24:09,910 --> 02:24:06,229
specific known types of radiation do we

3345
02:24:13,199 --> 02:24:09,920
have can we can we establish a smoking

3346
02:24:15,880 --> 02:24:13,209
gun link anywhere before we get smoked

3347
02:24:18,460 --> 02:24:15,890
we have Chris Lambright joining us with

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hi my name is Richard Dolan you're

3455
02:28:58,430 --> 02:28:52,150
listening to the Peres cast

3456
02:29:06,240 --> 02:29:02,600
that sound more like the parrot cast

3457
02:29:08,400 --> 02:29:06,250
that's KK with Chris Lambright and Kurt

3458
02:29:10,830 --> 02:29:08,410
Collins joining us course Kurt Collins

3459
02:29:13,410 --> 02:29:10,840
is also known as century in our forums

3460
02:29:16,830 --> 02:29:13,420
we're focusing on the cash Landrum case

3461
02:29:21,060 --> 02:29:16,840
and the question that Chris asked was or

3462
02:29:23,610 --> 02:29:21,070
KK or excuse me is whether the

3463
02:29:26,341 --> 02:29:23,620
particular type of radiation poisoning

3464
02:29:29,011 --> 02:29:26,351
related symptoms suffered by these

3465
02:29:30,150 --> 02:29:29,021
witnesses relates to any known condition

3466
02:29:32,011 --> 02:29:30,160
anyone with an answer

3467
02:29:34,051 --> 02:29:32,021
Kurt can take this one if he has any

3468
02:29:35,970 --> 02:29:34,061
more information I've not seen anything

3469
02:29:38,070 --> 02:29:35,980
definitive spelled out by anybody who

3470
02:29:39,960 --> 02:29:38,080
was in a position to to know you know

3471
02:29:41,910 --> 02:29:39,970
doctors or otherwise there's so much

3472
02:29:44,060 --> 02:29:41,920
there's conflicting information and

3473
02:29:47,370 --> 02:29:44,070
sometimes I wonder if the injuries

3474
02:29:49,591 --> 02:29:47,380
weren't sensationalized just a little

3475
02:29:51,900 --> 02:29:49,601
bit in order to make it sound more like

3476
02:29:53,460 --> 02:29:51,910
radiation poisoning that's an opinion in

3477
02:29:55,830 --> 02:29:53,470
mind and you can strike that but I will

3478
02:29:57,900 --> 02:29:55,840
say that the diagnosis that have been

3479
02:29:59,250 --> 02:29:57,910
published we're just getting fragments

3480
02:30:01,650 --> 02:29:59,260
of it so until we have the medical

3481
02:30:03,390 --> 02:30:01,660
records you can say and if I could read

3482
02:30:05,040 --> 02:30:03,400
the medical records I couldn't tell you

3483
02:30:07,230 --> 02:30:05,050
because it's couched in professional

3484
02:30:11,280 --> 02:30:07,240
language so it needs to be open and

3485
02:30:14,400 --> 02:30:11,290
reviewed by qualified personnel I agree

3486
02:30:17,310 --> 02:30:14,410
but losing your fingernails and losing

3487
02:30:19,890 --> 02:30:17,320
your hair and suffering what sounds like

3488
02:30:23,511 --> 02:30:19,900
radiation poisonous poisoning symptoms I

3489
02:30:25,890 --> 02:30:23,521
mean losing it takes a lot of trauma to

3490
02:30:28,171 --> 02:30:25,900
make your hair fall out and it takes

3491
02:30:29,551 --> 02:30:28,181
even more trauma to to cause your

3492
02:30:31,950 --> 02:30:29,561
fingernails to fall out I mean that

3493
02:30:33,421 --> 02:30:31,960
those should be classic symptoms of a

3494
02:30:35,850 --> 02:30:33,431
certain type of radiation I don't know

3495
02:30:38,400 --> 02:30:35,860
enough about it to be able to comment

3496
02:30:40,591 --> 02:30:38,410
but if we have any medical professionals

3497
02:30:41,910 --> 02:30:40,601
out in the in the para cast listening

3498
02:30:44,430 --> 02:30:41,920
audience it'd be interesting to hear

3499
02:30:46,051 --> 02:30:44,440
from you at forum dr. Peric ascom come

3500
02:30:48,930 --> 02:30:46,061
sign up it's free we don't give away

3501
02:30:52,640 --> 02:30:48,940
your email address give us a load some

3502
02:30:55,530 --> 02:30:52,650
lowdown on how these particular symptoms

3503
02:30:57,780 --> 02:30:55,540
sensationalized possibly I have seen

3504
02:30:59,820 --> 02:30:57,790
photographs that were taken of the of

3505
02:31:01,560 --> 02:30:59,830
the women and they definitely did

3506
02:31:03,690 --> 02:31:01,570
interact with some sort of energy field

3507
02:31:05,160 --> 02:31:03,700
there's no question I think in most

3508
02:31:05,520 --> 02:31:05,170
people's minds that have looked into the

3509
02:31:08,410 --> 02:31:05,530
case

3510
02:31:10,990 --> 02:31:08,420
so there's anybody out there that has a

3511
02:31:14,200 --> 02:31:11,000
heads up knowledge of this of these

3512
02:31:16,000 --> 02:31:14,210
symptoms do contact us and post some on

3513
02:31:18,340 --> 02:31:16,010
our forum yeah I thought that I thought

3514
02:31:20,800 --> 02:31:18,350
that goes through my mind and and I tend

3515
02:31:23,110 --> 02:31:20,810
to give a lot more credence to Kurt's

3516
02:31:24,760 --> 02:31:23,120
attitude now that the term radiation has

3517
02:31:27,280 --> 02:31:24,770
been they used a lot and it gets people

3518
02:31:30,100 --> 02:31:27,290
thinking along that lines but I've often

3519
02:31:33,760 --> 02:31:30,110
wondered about the impression in the

3520
02:31:36,010 --> 02:31:33,770
dashboard because clearly they both seem

3521
02:31:38,320 --> 02:31:36,020
to be adamantly certain that her

3522
02:31:40,870 --> 02:31:38,330
handprint was left in the dashboard but

3523
02:31:42,910 --> 02:31:40,880
what amount of energy would take to

3524
02:31:44,440 --> 02:31:42,920
soften a dashboard especially with the

3525
02:31:46,330 --> 02:31:44,450
other heat you know the heat of the car

3526
02:31:48,670 --> 02:31:46,340
she had opened the doorknob that sort of

3527
02:31:50,950 --> 02:31:48,680
thing that would soften the dashboard

3528
02:31:52,750 --> 02:31:50,960
enough but Vicky's pan wouldn't have

3529
02:31:54,310 --> 02:31:52,760
burned the minute she touched that I

3530
02:31:56,200 --> 02:31:54,320
mean if we think in terms of just

3531
02:31:58,179 --> 02:31:56,210
softening it out with with heat so I

3532
02:31:59,830 --> 02:31:58,189
don't know I'm not sure what what that

3533
02:32:01,870 --> 02:31:59,840
spell that or what that suggests but

3534
02:32:04,360 --> 02:32:01,880
I've often been confused to wonder what

3535
02:32:06,090 --> 02:32:04,370
might have caused the dashboard material

3536
02:32:08,410 --> 02:32:06,100
if I presume that was the old-style

3537
02:32:10,300 --> 02:32:08,420
plastic or you know kind of material

3538
02:32:12,820 --> 02:32:10,310
that we think of would have allowed

3539
02:32:14,710 --> 02:32:12,830
someone to press their handprint into it

3540
02:32:16,600 --> 02:32:14,720
but it wasn't so hot that they didn't

3541
02:32:18,790 --> 02:32:16,610
burn the skin off their fingers if you

3542
02:32:20,020 --> 02:32:18,800
know by that time pressing on it so I

3543
02:32:21,250 --> 02:32:20,030
don't know whether that suggests that

3544
02:32:23,080 --> 02:32:21,260
maybe there was some other kind of

3545
02:32:24,880 --> 02:32:23,090
energy that it wasn't just strictly

3546
02:32:26,760 --> 02:32:24,890
radiation although the obviously

3547
02:32:29,620 --> 02:32:26,770
physical effects of the ladies does

3548
02:32:32,050 --> 02:32:29,630
certainly does ring with a lot of types

3549
02:32:33,820 --> 02:32:32,060
of effects that even Schuessler an Enzo

3550
02:32:35,500 --> 02:32:33,830
had been you know documenting six or

3551
02:32:37,510 --> 02:32:35,510
seven months earlier so a little bit

3552
02:32:38,590 --> 02:32:37,520
more about the radiation this is this

3553
02:32:40,300 --> 02:32:38,600
was something I should have mentioned

3554
02:32:42,130 --> 02:32:40,310
earlier when gene was asking about new

3555
02:32:44,200 --> 02:32:42,140
information on the case this isn't

3556
02:32:46,179 --> 02:32:44,210
strictly speaking new information but

3557
02:32:49,179 --> 02:32:46,189
it's something John Schuessler never

3558
02:32:52,090 --> 02:32:49,189
exists a address when the ladies were in

3559
02:32:55,110 --> 02:32:52,100
the Austin area to visit the bursts from

3560
02:32:58,570 --> 02:32:55,120
Air Force Base the visited their local

3561
02:32:59,860 --> 02:32:58,580
representative party was prouder and had

3562
02:33:02,080 --> 02:32:59,870
a discussion I think he was out of the

3563
02:33:04,840 --> 02:33:02,090
office talked with his aide the point is

3564
02:33:06,960 --> 02:33:04,850
as a result of that conversation the

3565
02:33:09,969 --> 02:33:06,970
Texas Department of Health sent their

3566
02:33:12,940 --> 02:33:09,979
radiology they have a team that deals

3567
02:33:16,240 --> 02:33:12,950
with radiation exposure they visited the

3568
02:33:18,490 --> 02:33:16,250
scene drove up and down this seven mile

3569
02:33:21,219 --> 02:33:18,500
stretch of road tested at a number of

3570
02:33:22,190 --> 02:33:21,229
points and trying to no traces of

3571
02:33:24,800 --> 02:33:22,200
ionizing

3572
02:33:26,330 --> 02:33:24,810
I know very little about radiation but I

3573
02:33:28,130 --> 02:33:26,340
do know that there are different types

3574
02:33:30,290 --> 02:33:28,140
and it's plausible that there could be

3575
02:33:32,780 --> 02:33:30,300
something that didn't leave trace but if

3576
02:33:35,360 --> 02:33:32,790
it was a nuclear bomb say our nuclear

3577
02:33:38,179 --> 02:33:35,370
weapon or a nuclear power drive it would

3578
02:33:40,100 --> 02:33:38,189
have left traces on the road on the car

3579
02:33:42,560 --> 02:33:40,110
and you know that we could measure so

3580
02:33:44,719 --> 02:33:42,570
this has to be something else and the

3581
02:33:47,240 --> 02:33:44,729
results of that test was was discussed

3582
02:33:49,940 --> 02:33:47,250
briefly in the newspaper but what has

3583
02:33:54,040 --> 02:33:49,950
not been mentioned was in the report it

3584
02:33:56,420 --> 02:33:54,050
said that they encouraged the ladies to

3585
02:33:57,560 --> 02:33:56,430
endow power can't remember the exact

3586
02:33:59,750 --> 02:33:57,570
language I don't want to get it wrong

3587
02:34:01,820 --> 02:33:59,760
but they wanted to either have access to

3588
02:34:03,590 --> 02:34:01,830
the medical records or you examine the

3589
02:34:05,810 --> 02:34:03,600
victims to determine what they've been

3590
02:34:07,910 --> 02:34:05,820
exposed to I have a large question here

3591
02:34:10,700 --> 02:34:07,920
we only have a few minutes left to have

3592
02:34:13,460 --> 02:34:10,710
it answered and that is okay so we have

3593
02:34:18,469 --> 02:34:13,470
this case in 1980 and we're doing the

3594
02:34:21,320 --> 02:34:18,479
show in the mid 2013 timeframe okay a

3595
02:34:24,860 --> 02:34:21,330
lot of years passed all right 33 years

3596
02:34:27,140 --> 02:34:24,870
is there anything we can do today to get

3597
02:34:30,650 --> 02:34:27,150
a better handle on this case or is that

3598
02:34:33,500 --> 02:34:30,660
trail just gone cold it's too far in the

3599
02:34:35,990 --> 02:34:33,510
past John Schuessler thinks so the

3600
02:34:37,670 --> 02:34:36,000
primary witnesses are dead however some

3601
02:34:40,040 --> 02:34:37,680
of the doctors are still practicing

3602
02:34:42,860 --> 02:34:40,050
medicine they were fairly young in 1980

3603
02:34:45,230 --> 02:34:42,870
Colby Landrum is still alive the

3604
02:34:46,640 --> 02:34:45,240
reporters that covered Amanda the

3605
02:34:49,219 --> 02:34:46,650
earliest testimony

3606
02:34:52,010 --> 02:34:49,229
they're still alive Allen hold still is

3607
02:34:54,260 --> 02:34:52,020
still working for NASA so whether or not

3608
02:34:56,540 --> 02:34:54,270
we have primary evidence the

3609
02:34:58,280 --> 02:34:56,550
participants in the case are alive and

3610
02:34:59,330 --> 02:34:58,290
well this isn't like Roswell where

3611
02:35:01,179 --> 02:34:59,340
you're gonna have to talk to their

3612
02:35:03,920 --> 02:35:01,189
grandchildren or great-grandchildren

3613
02:35:06,190 --> 02:35:03,930
some of the original participants are

3614
02:35:08,420 --> 02:35:06,200
still alive this should not be a

3615
02:35:09,440 --> 02:35:08,430
stone-cold dead case they're they're

3616
02:35:11,780 --> 02:35:09,450
still possibilities

3617
02:35:14,330 --> 02:35:11,790
the helicopter pilots would probably be

3618
02:35:16,460 --> 02:35:14,340
in their 20s or 30s they might be

3619
02:35:17,960 --> 02:35:16,470
nearing retirement age so it's possible

3620
02:35:20,150 --> 02:35:17,970
one of those from tongs so I think

3621
02:35:22,400 --> 02:35:20,160
there's a potential for plenty leads in

3622
02:35:24,380 --> 02:35:22,410
this case I agree that would be what I

3623
02:35:26,450 --> 02:35:24,390
would hope I would I would ask any of

3624
02:35:29,750 --> 02:35:26,460
the helicopter pilots who were involved

3625
02:35:31,730 --> 02:35:29,760
at the time to look at their own small

3626
02:35:33,560 --> 02:35:31,740
children or grandchildren look at their

3627
02:35:35,240 --> 02:35:33,570
mother daughters and think if they were

3628
02:35:35,791 --> 02:35:35,250
lying there on a hospital bed that

3629
02:35:37,741 --> 02:35:35,801
injury

3630
02:35:39,270 --> 02:35:37,751
and Justin wanted someone to tell them

3631
02:35:40,951 --> 02:35:39,280
the truth I think maybe it's time

3632
02:35:43,320 --> 02:35:40,961
especially in the environment we have

3633
02:35:45,421 --> 02:35:43,330
these days that one of these guys should

3634
02:35:46,741 --> 02:35:45,431
just come out as a whistleblower or

3635
02:35:49,201 --> 02:35:46,751
whatever it takes

3636
02:35:51,091 --> 02:35:49,211
give some information given names and

3637
02:35:53,161 --> 02:35:51,101
name something that you could go and at

3638
02:35:54,751 --> 02:35:53,171
least get some substantiation for Colby

3639
02:35:56,100 --> 02:35:54,761
if nothing else because Vicki was always

3640
02:35:58,110 --> 02:35:56,110
concerned she'd been told by one of the

3641
02:36:00,301 --> 02:35:58,120
doctors that depending on whether it was

3642
02:36:01,051 --> 02:36:00,311
radiation or what type it was that who

3643
02:36:02,581 --> 02:36:01,061
knows what

3644
02:36:05,610 --> 02:36:02,591
Colby might develop twenty years later

3645
02:36:08,100 --> 02:36:05,620
right or pass along to children and

3646
02:36:10,291 --> 02:36:08,110
grandchildren one thing that you know I

3647
02:36:12,570 --> 02:36:10,301
think is very interesting is we have the

3648
02:36:15,121 --> 02:36:12,580
time correlation between the Rendlesham

3649
02:36:16,980 --> 02:36:15,131
case and the cash Landrum case and we

3650
02:36:20,371 --> 02:36:16,990
have witnesses in close proximity

3651
02:36:23,581 --> 02:36:20,381
both groups claiming to suffer you know

3652
02:36:27,650 --> 02:36:23,591
severe medical problems as a result of

3653
02:36:30,780 --> 02:36:27,660
the close proximity to some form of

3654
02:36:33,690 --> 02:36:30,790
energy I just find it really fascinating

3655
02:36:36,121 --> 02:36:33,700
now we have do cases that occur within

3656
02:36:39,600 --> 02:36:36,131
days of one another maybe what we should

3657
02:36:42,301 --> 02:36:39,610
do here is again Peter Robin is involved

3658
02:36:44,730 --> 02:36:42,311
in this maybe we can find some kind of

3659
02:36:47,491 --> 02:36:44,740
correlation okay this is the wrap-up

3660
02:36:49,381 --> 02:36:47,501
Curt Collins tell our listeners is there

3661
02:36:51,301 --> 02:36:49,391
any place they can find you online or

3662
02:36:53,190 --> 02:36:51,311
just in our forums if they want to

3663
02:36:55,261 --> 02:36:53,200
contact you or check your work through

3664
02:36:57,390 --> 02:36:55,271
our forms you'll find a link to my blog

3665
02:37:00,751 --> 02:36:57,400
that has several articles on the case

3666
02:37:02,761 --> 02:37:00,761
it's called blue boring lines so either

3667
02:37:05,011 --> 02:37:02,771
search for that or just check on tickle

3668
02:37:08,161 --> 02:37:05,021
my signature in that forms and he's

3669
02:37:09,871 --> 02:37:08,171
known in the forum's as sentry Chris

3670
02:37:12,331 --> 02:37:09,881
Lambright where do we find more of your

3671
02:37:14,190 --> 02:37:12,341
stuff well I'm around everywhere it

3672
02:37:15,060 --> 02:37:14,200
seems like but you can reach me through

3673
02:37:17,551 --> 02:37:15,070
x desc

3674
02:37:19,860 --> 02:37:17,561
publishing comm any of the emails sent

3675
02:37:21,631 --> 02:37:19,870
to there would be accessible or they can

3676
02:37:23,911 --> 02:37:21,641
contact you guys at para cast if

3677
02:37:26,011 --> 02:37:23,921
necessary but I personally want to say

3678
02:37:28,501 --> 02:37:26,021
to everyone that I think Kurt has been

3679
02:37:30,451 --> 02:37:28,511
doing one heck of a job I highly

3680
02:37:32,041 --> 02:37:30,461
recommend his website the information

3681
02:37:34,051 --> 02:37:32,051
that he has there especially the

3682
02:37:36,360 --> 02:37:34,061
chronology of the events and changes and

3683
02:37:37,650 --> 02:37:36,370
whatnot and is an amazing thing for a

3684
02:37:39,241 --> 02:37:37,660
guy who just got into it a couple of

3685
02:37:41,011 --> 02:37:39,251
years ago or started in on this case a

3686
02:37:43,501 --> 02:37:41,021
couple of years ago but this kind of

3687
02:37:47,491 --> 02:37:43,511
serious dedicated detail-oriented

3688
02:37:47,910 --> 02:37:47,501
research is in short supply yeah I'll

3689
02:37:50,400 --> 02:37:47,920
say

3690
02:37:51,780 --> 02:37:50,410
jaakor this is a wonderful thing we

3691
02:37:54,120 --> 02:37:51,790
really appreciate what you did curt

3692
02:37:56,490 --> 02:37:54,130
Collins and by the way Chris O'Brien can

3693
02:37:59,130 --> 02:37:56,500
be found at our strange planet comets

3694
02:38:00,540 --> 02:37:59,140
our strange planet calm he also has a

3695
02:38:04,350 --> 02:38:00,550
book coming out this fall called

3696
02:38:06,570 --> 02:38:04,360
stalking the herd it's the real dope

3697
02:38:08,190 --> 02:38:06,580
about cattle mutilations that's coming a

3698
02:38:11,160 --> 02:38:08,200
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3699
02:38:13,200 --> 02:38:11,170
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3700
02:38:14,700 --> 02:38:13,210
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3701
02:38:17,100 --> 02:38:14,710
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3702
02:38:19,950 --> 02:38:17,110
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3703
02:38:22,320 --> 02:38:19,960
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3704
02:38:24,890 --> 02:38:22,330
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3705
02:38:27,900 --> 02:38:24,900
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3706
02:38:30,450 --> 02:38:27,910
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3707
02:38:33,150 --> 02:38:30,460
Kurt Collins thanks for joining us this

3708
02:38:35,429 --> 02:38:33,160
week on the power cast I just wanted to

3709
02:38:37,350 --> 02:38:35,439
thank Chris for his work on the case and

3710
02:38:39,390 --> 02:38:37,360
be sure to check out his illustration

3711
02:38:42,030 --> 02:38:39,400
based directly on our witness testimony

3712
02:38:43,980 --> 02:38:42,040
everybody go check out all the work Kurt

3713
02:38:46,350 --> 02:38:43,990
has been doing if you want to know any

3714
02:38:48,150 --> 02:38:46,360
details or facts about this case so far

3715
02:38:50,250 --> 02:38:48,160
that is probably the single best

3716
02:38:53,180 --> 02:38:50,260
repository for it for up-to-date

3717
02:38:59,171 --> 02:38:55,680
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3718
02:39:02,081 --> 02:38:59,181
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3719
02:39:05,071 --> 02:39:02,091
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3720
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